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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4476
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CHILE ALL STARS Honours: • FIFA World CupThird place (1): 1962• FIFA Confederations CupRunners-up (1): 2017• Copa AméricaWinners (2): 2015, 2016 Runners-up (4): 1955, 1956, 1979, 1987 Third place (5): 1926, 1941, 1945, 1967, 1991 Fourth place (11): 1916, 1917, 1919, 1920, 1924, 1935, 1939, 1947, 1953, 1999, 2019COACH: Fernando RIERA The best ever Chilean players 23-man squadGOALKEEPERS:● Sergio LIVINGSTONE● Claudio BRAVODEFENDERS:● Sergio NAVARRO● Luis EYZAGUIRRE● Elías FIGUEROA● Alberto QUINTANO● Antonio ARIAS● Gary MEDEL● Mauricio ISLAMIDFIELDERS:● Enrique HORMAZÁBAL● Eladio ROJAS ● Francisco VALDÉS ● Rubén MARCOS● Carlos REINOSO● Jorge ARAVENA● Arturo VIDALFORWARDS:● George ROBLEDO● Leonel SÁNCHEZ● Carlos CASZELY● Iván ZAMORANO● Marcelo SALAS● Alexis SÁNCHEZ● Eduardo VARGAS__________________________________________________ RESERVES:
GOALKEEPERS:
● Misael ESCUTI ● Mario OSBÉN ● Roberto ROJAS
DEFENDERS:
● Manuel ÁLVAREZ ● Isaac CARRASCO ● Raúl SÁNCHEZ ● Humberto CRUZ ● Ignacio PRIETO ● Fernando ASTENGO ● Javier MARGAS ● Gonzalo JARA ● Eugenio MENA ● Miguel RAMÍREZ
MIDFIELDERS:
● Jorge TORO ● Alberto FOUILLIOUX ● Jaime PIZARRO ● José Luis SIERRA ● David PIZARRO ● Jean BEAUSEJOUR ● Jorge VALDIVIA ● Matías FERNÁNDEZ ● Charles ARÁNGUIZ ● Marcelo DÍAZ
FORWARDS:
● Guillermo SUBIABRE ● Raúl TORO ● Atilio CREMASCHI ● René MELÉNDEZ ● Jaime RAMÍREZ ● Pedro ARAYA ● Osvaldo CASTRO ● Patricio YÁÑEZ ● Juan Carlos LETELIER ● Humberto SUAZOTHE BEST EVER XIGK BRAVO SWP FIGUEROA © CB QUINTANO RB EYZAGUIRRE LB ARIAS DMF VIDAL CMF VALDÉS RMF A. SÁNCHEZ LWF L. SÁNCHEZ SS SALAS CF ZAMORANO Captain: Elías Figueroa | Claudio Bravo Short free kick: Francisco Valdés | Alexis Sánchez | Leonel Sánchez Long free kick: Francisco Valdés | Elías Figueroa | Luis Eyzaguirre Free kick 2: Arturo Vidal Right corner: Francisco Valdés | Leonel Sánchez Left corner: Francisco Valdés | Alexis Sánchez | Leonel Sánchez Penalty: Arturo Vidal | Iván Zamorano | Leonel Sánchez INFO:https://www.iffhs.com/posts/1304https://www.rsssf.org/miscellaneous/chil-recintlp.htmlhttps://www.partidosdelaroja.com/1970/01/jugadores.html
Last edited by Interista93 on Thu May 02, 2024 12:12 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:39 pm |
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Milos
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:47 am Posts: 1273 Location: Serbia
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Guys, I never suggested that Vargas should be in the first team. I just mentioned interesting fact about him.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:46 am |
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Bola Clássica
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:52 am Posts: 476
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Milos wrote: Guys, I never suggested that Vargas should be in the first team. I just mentioned interesting fact about him. But it brought an interesting discussion about the criterias for being on the AS teams anyway.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:50 am |
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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4476
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Bola Clássica wrote: Idk but if the club performance and player level dont mean at all, maybe Toto Schillaci should be in the reserves in Italy AS.
The players level has to mean at least something. Of course the player's level means a lot. I was referring to the contribution a player gave to his country by playing in major clubs. That, in my opinion, can be applied to weak national teams that struggled to have their players in big clubs or had just a few. Regarding Schillaci, he didn't do that much with Italy and even at club level he only had one great season at Juventus in 1989-90. Edu Vargas surely did a lot for Chile national team and, in fact, he's in the team. Although, Salas, Alexis Sánchez, Zamorano (to name the most recent ones) had more successful careers in general, which qualify them more than Vargas.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:02 pm |
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Bola Clássica
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:52 am Posts: 476
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Interista93 wrote: Bola Clássica wrote: Idk but if the club performance and player level dont mean at all, maybe Toto Schillaci should be in the reserves in Italy AS.
The players level has to mean at least something. Of course the player's level means a lot. I was referring to the contribution a player gave to his country by playing in major clubs. That, in my opinion, can be applied to weak national teams that struggled to have their players in big clubs or had just a few. Regarding Schillaci, he didn't do that much with Italy and even at club level he only had one great season at Juventus in 1989-90. Edu Vargas surely did a lot for Chile national team and, in fact, he's in the team. Although, Salas, Alexis Sánchez, Zamorano (to name the most recent ones) had more successful careers in general, which qualify them more than Vargas. Yes. I agree. Im actually more leaned than the average in the forum to consider the player's level aspect. I always watch myself to fit in the forum standards to meet the criterias. It is a nice way to see AS teams though. I was just giving my opinion that fit Vargas in the main team would be too much.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:12 pm |
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27DONI72
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Edu Vargas is not a one hit wonder like Grosso or Schillaci, he always had great performances in NT so IMHO the problem isn't if he'd deserve to be in first team but who remove among the Chilean legends who are in first team.
As I said I think there are already more than enough forwards, this team needs a RMF/RWF.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:16 pm |
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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4476
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27DONI72 wrote: As I said I think there are already more than enough forwards, this team needs a RMF/RWF. As I said, Jaime Ramírez is probably the best option as RWF. I wouldn't mind an RMF and reduce the number of forwards in the first team to six. However, neither the midfielders among the reserves nor the alternatives I have in my notes have a proper RMF.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:37 pm |
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El Capo
Joined: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:26 am Posts: 3386 Location: Aragua De Barcelona, Venezuela
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We are talking about a forward who, regardless of what he did for clubs, did this for his NT (main criteria after all for the NT AS posting): Milos wrote: Average club player but when performing for the NT he transforms into the beast. Two Copa America trophies, both times included in the team of the tournament, both times competition's Top Scorers. That's a secure spot in pretty much anywhere else. Chile isn't Venezuela or Andorra where inevitably we must add the very best/most recognized players from their country regardless if they underperformed/didn't achieved something with the NT in order to make them 'competitive' to say the least. Edu has played everywhere in the attack through his career, just like Alexis.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:48 pm |
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gurkenjoe93
Joined: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 2524
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Bola Clássica wrote: Milos wrote: Guys, I never suggested that Vargas should be in the first team. I just mentioned interesting fact about him. But it brought an interesting discussion about the criterias for being on the AS teams anyway. What discussion about which criteria? Club performance should never be relevant for NT AS and it's the same way around for Club AS. Btw, I also don't get why you again bring up Burruchaga after we explained to you multiple times why we included him in Argentina AS.. Milos wrote: Regarding Chilean players from the last generation, I was always impressed by Edu Vargas. Average club player but when performing for the NT he transforms into the beast. Two Copa America trophies, both times included in the team of the tournament, both times competition's Top Scorers. Facts. Actually it can be even extended: Average club player but when performing for the NT he transforms into the beast. Two Copa America trophies, both times included in the team of the tournament, both times competition's Top Scorers, one of only eight players with 100+ caps for Chile and their second best ever goalscorer.This + his ability to cover multiple positions make him a no-brainer for this team IMO. And since you removed him in your reserves: Marcelo Diaz is a must.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:12 pm |
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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4476
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gurkenjoe93 wrote: Milos wrote: Regarding Chilean players from the last generation, I was always impressed by Edu Vargas. Average club player but when performing for the NT he transforms into the beast. Two Copa America trophies, both times included in the team of the tournament, both times competition's Top Scorers. Facts. Actually it can be even extended: Average club player but when performing for the NT he transforms into the beast. Two Copa America trophies, both times included in the team of the tournament, both times competition's Top Scorers, one of only eight players with 100+ caps for Chile and their second best ever goalscorer.This + his ability to cover multiple positions make him a no-brainer for this team IMO. And since you removed him in your reserves: Marcelo Diaz is a must. Edu Vargas can indeed cover multiple positions and he was deployed numerous times as RWF with Chile. I guess he's a more than valid choice to replace Raúl Toro. Marcelo Díaz surely can be in the reserves. Who could be out? In terms of accomplishment with Chile, I'd go for David or Jaime Pizarro. What do you think?
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:25 pm |
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MrNBA
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:28 am Posts: 21
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As a Chilean myself, i like the work you done here Interista, is a well thinkered squad. Maybe the only player by his performance in the NT who can get him way into the 23 man squad, is Charles Aránguiz, an absolutely fan favourite and an always underrated player. Vargas before Russia 2018 any game he played under the red shirt of Chile, he fulfill the promise he show in la U in 2011, a killer against Spain. Interista93 wrote: Araya is a valid choice. Although, I prefer Jaime Ramírez who was featured as RWF in the 1962 World Cup and played also in the 1955 and 1956 Copa América. I'd replace Raúl Toro who is recognized as one of the best Chilean forwards but he didn't have the same success with Chile as other players. Many great players of Chile had the same promblem, another is Carlos Reinoso, clearly one of the best AMF on the history of Chile, but simply can't do the same thing he does in México. Another great add to the Reserves is Pedro Reyes, he had a decent carrer in the NT and was the best defender in Chile in the 90's
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:47 pm |
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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4476
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MrNBA wrote: As a Chilean myself, i like the work you done here Interista, is a well thinkered squad. Maybe the only player by his performance in the NT who can get him way into the 23 man squad, is Charles Aránguiz, an absolutely fan favourite and an always underrated player. Vargas before Russia 2018 any game he played under the red shirt of Chile, he fulfill the promise he show in la U in 2011, a killer against Spain.
Many great players of Chile had the same promblem, another is Carlos Reinoso, clearly one of the best AMF on the history of Chile, but simply can't do the same thing he does in México.
Another great add to the Reserves is Pedro Reyes, he had a decent carrer in the NT and was the best defender in Chile in the 90's Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! I took Aránguiz into consideration for the first team. He could replace an AMF to follow up what Doni said about the line-up likely going to be a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-4. Although, I have no idea which AMF could be out. Fouillioux comes to mind even though he was instrumental in the historical 1962 World Cup campaign. However, I rate Francisco Valdés and Jorge Aravena one step higher. I wouldn't have Reyes in the first team. Figueroa and Quintano are undisputed in the best XI. Medel's imminent 150 caps milestone and his accomplishments with Chile in the 2010s make him worthy of a spot in the first team.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:06 pm |
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MrNBA
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:28 am Posts: 21
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Interista93 wrote: Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! I took Aránguiz into consideration for the first team. He could replace an AMF to follow up what Doni said about the line-up likely going to be a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-4. Although, I have no idea which AMF could be out. Fouillioux comes to mind even though he was instrumental in the historical 1962 World Cup campaign. However, I rate Francisco Valdés and Jorge Aravena one step higher.
I wouldn't have Reyes in the first team. Figueroa and Quintano are undisputed in the best XI. Medel's imminent 150 caps milestone and his accomplishments with Chile in the 2010s make him worthy of a spot in the first team. Homrazabal maybe. Is a shame, but he was excluding of the '62 World Cup cause a disciplinary bullshit I mean Reyes can be in the Reserve Squad, not in the Main squad.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:32 pm |
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Interista93
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MrNBA wrote: Homrazabal maybe. Is a shame, but he was excluding of the '62 World Cup cause a disciplinary bullshit I mean Reyes can be in the Reserve Squad, not in the Main squad. Hormazábal is needed for the SMF/WF position. About Reyes, I had already included him in the reserves.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:38 pm |
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Bola Clássica
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:52 am Posts: 476
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gurkenjoe93 wrote: What discussion about which criteria? Club performance should never be relevant for NT AS and it's the same way around for Club AS. Btw, I also don't get why you again bring up Burruchaga after we explained to you multiple times why we included him in Argentina AS..
What you mean what discussion? The discussion that you just gave the answer: "Club performance should never be relevant for NT AS and it's the same way around for Club AS. " I didnt bring up Burruchaga again, I actually gave him as an example after, as you said, you guys explained once, not multiple times, why he was included in Argentina AS.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:34 pm |
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MrNBA
Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:28 am Posts: 21
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Interista93 wrote: MrNBA wrote: Homrazabal maybe. Is a shame, but he was excluding of the '62 World Cup cause a disciplinary bullshit I mean Reyes can be in the Reserve Squad, not in the Main squad. Hormazábal is needed for the SMF/WF position. About Reyes, I had already included him in the reserves. Ups, my bad, i see the pinned post instead of yours searching Pedro. Reseeing the squads, i miss Chano Garrido, i know he had 44 reps, but he and Astengo (who he had 18 app... ah, the Maracanazo) are well know here. But I can see why they aren't in the squad.
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Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:46 pm |
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