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Team created by a collaborative effort of 27DONI72, Milos, StuartBannigan and gurkenjoe93


BRAZIL ALL STARS



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Honours:

FIFA World Cup

Winners (5): 1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, 2002
Runners-up (2): 1950, 1998
Third place (2): 1938, 1978
Fourth place (2): 1974, 2014


FIFA Confederations Cup

Winners (4): 1997, 2005, 2009, 2013
Runners-up (1): 1999
Fourth place (1): 2001


Copa América

Winners (9): 1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, 1997, 1999, 2004, 2007, 2019
Runners-up (12): 1921, 1925, 1937, 1945, 1946, 1953, 1957, 1959, 1983, 1991, 1995, 2021
Third place (7): 1916, 1917, 1920, 1942, 1959, 1975, 1979
Fourth place (3): 1923, 1956, 1963



COACH: Mário ZAGALLO

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The best ever Brazilian players 23-man squad



GOALKEEPERS:

GILMAR
Cláudio TAFFAREL


DEFENDERS:

Mauro RAMOS
NÍLTON SANTOS
DJALMA SANTOS
BELLINI
Carlos ALBERTO
EDINHO
Roberto CARLOS


MIDFIELDERS:

DIDI
ZITO
GÉRSON
RIVELINO
ZICO
FALCÃO
TONINHO CEREZO


FORWARDS:

ZIZINHO
GARRINCHA
PELÉ
JAIRZINHO
ROMÁRIO
RONALDO
RIVALDO



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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

BARBOSA
Émerson LEÃO
DIDA


DEFENDERS:

DOMINGOS DA GUIA
ORLANDO
Luís PEREIRA
OSCAR
JÚNIOR
BRANCO
ALDAIR
CAFU
LUCIO
THIAGO SILVA


MIDFIELDERS:

DANILO ALVIM
BAUER
Mário ZAGALLO
CLODOALDO
DIRCEU
SÓCRATES
DUNGA
MAURO SILVA
RONALDINHO
KAKÁ


FORWARDS:

Arthur FRIEDENREICH
LEÔNIDAS
JAIR
ADEMIR
JULINHO
VAVÁ
TOSTÃO
CARECA
BEBETO
NEYMAR





THE BEST EVER XI

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GK GILMAR
CB BELLINI ©
CB MAURO RAMOS
RB DJALMA SANTOS
LB NÍLTON SANTOS
CMF DIDI
CMF FALCÃO
AMF ZICO
RWF GARRINCHA
SS PELÉ
CF ROMÁRIO

Captain: Bellini | Mauro Ramos
Short Free Kick: Zico | Didi | Garrincha
Long Free Kick: Didi | Zico
Left Corner: Zico | Didi
Right Corner: Zico | Didi
Penalty: Pelé | Zico | Romário | Djalma Santos


Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:20 pm
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Bola Clássica wrote:
How about Julio Cesar? IMO he had a better peak than Castilho, Marcos and Dida and has more legacy with "Seleção" than Alisson and Ederson.

Probably Alisson's legacy will be bigger than his though.

PS: absolute number of games is unfair with the past players since there was less games during the old days. 30 vs 100 is a huge difference though.


Yeah, I would put Julio Cesar in front of Castilho too. But maybe his presence in 2014 will keep him out of the selection to some supporters.

As for Alisson and Ederson, I really don't remember another time that Brazil had one (much less two) goalkeepers considered among the best in the world. But I think they still need to prove themselves in the Brazilian team


Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:59 pm
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Yeah, I would put Julio Cesar in front of Castilho too. But maybe his presence in 2014 will keep him out of the selection to some supporters.


I agree. But what many people doesnt know, Barbosa was blamed because of the 1950 defeat as well. Actually, more than Julio Cesar was. It took time for people forgot about that and "forgive" him and Barbosa is listed here (IMO, fairly listed). So, if he can be here, Julio Cesar also can.


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As for Alisson and Ederson, I really don't remember another time that Brazil had one (much less two) goalkeepers considered among the best in the world. But I think they still need to prove themselves in the Brazilian team


Agreed. It is because Brazil doesnt have tradition for the greatest goalkeepers. It is our weak point. I would say Brazil's historic level for goalkeepers and center-backs is bellow than other traditional football countries. Maybe defensive midfielders too. So, our competitiveness for those position is lower.


Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:22 pm
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The addition of Rivaldo is fair. Criteria in national teams is something very difficult because on one side we have extremely skilled players who have not won anything. In my opinion Rivaldo is a better player than Sócrates and was certainly more present while representing Brazil, having one of the greatest individual performances in a World Cup for the country.

I find it interesting to discuss Edinho's situation as well (maybe Cerezo's, but I understand that he is there for a tactical need, so leave it alone). Edinho, although he is one of the best defenders Brazil has ever produced, doesn't even come close to being one of the most important ones. Guys like Domingos da Guia, Luís Pereira, Aldair, Lúcio and even Orlando had more important, decisive and winning appearances than him.


Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:17 pm
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Casemiro can be included in reserves. I'd replace Zagallo who was much more of a tactical player than anything else.

About Edinho: he has no place in the first team. There's absolutely no reason and no valid argument to put him ahead of the likes of Da Guia, Lúcio, Aldair or Thiago Silva. The entire squad is build with importance for the NT being the most relevant aspect and for some reason he is the only exception.


Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:00 am
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