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Karlsruher SC All Stars


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COACH: :GER: Winfried SCHÄFER

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GOALKEEPERS:

:GER: Rudi FISCHER
:GER: Rudi WIMMER


DEFENDERS:

:GER: Walter BAUREIS
:CRO: Srećko BOGDAN
:GER: Gunther METZ
:GER: Robert NEUMAIER
:GER: Burkhard REICH
:GER: Dirk SCHUSTER
:GER: Rainer ULRICH


MIDFIELDERS:

:GER: Arthur BEIER
:GER: Stephan GROß
:GER: Michael HARFORTH
:GER: Thomas HÄßLER
:GER: Heinz RUPPENSTEIN
:GER: Lars SCHMIDT
:GER: Kurt SOMMERLATT


ATTACKERS:

:GER: Heinz BECK
:GER: Emanuel GÜNTHER
:GER: Ernst KUNKEL
:GER: Emil OBERLE
:GER: Oswald TRAUB
:GER: Karl WEGELE
:GER: Horst WILD


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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

:GER: / :POL: Alexander FAMULLA
:GER: Oliver KAHN
:GER: Markus MILLER
:GER: Claus REITMAIER


DEFENDERS:

:GER: Edmund BECKER
:CRO: Slaven BILIĆ
:GER: Wilhelm DIMMEL
:SWI: Mario EGGIMANN
:GER: Maik FRANZ
:GER: Günther FUCHS
:GER: Jürgen KALB
:GER: Oliver KREUZER
:GER: Jens NOWOTNY
:GER: Willi RIHM
:GER: Horst SAIDA
:GER: Thomas SÜSS


MIDFIELDERS:

:GHA: Godfried ADUOBE
:GER: Manfred BENDER
:GER: Heiko BONAN
:GER: Uwe DITTUS
:GER: Marco ENGELHARDT
:GER: Günther HERRMANN
:GER: Wolfgang ROLFF
:GER: Werner ROTH
:GER: Mehmet SCHOLL
:GER: Wolfgang SCHÜLER
:GER: Rainer SCHÜTTERLE
:GER: Max SCHWALL
:RUS: Valeri SHMAROV
:GER: Horst SZYMANIAK
:GER: Michael TARNAT
:GER: Wilfried TRENKEL
:GER: Gustav WITLATSCHIL


ATTACKERS:

:GER: Eberhard CARL
:SOU: / :GER: Sean DUNDEE
:GER: Sebastian FREIS
:ALB: Edmond KAPLLANI
:RUS: Sergey KIRYAKOV
:LUX: Antoine "Spitz" KOHN
:GER: Raimund KRAUTH
:GER: Hermann LEIBOLD
:GER: Christian MÜLLER
:GER: Wilhelm NOÉ
:GER: Otto REISER
:GER: Willy REITGAßL
:GER: Edgar SCHMITT
:GER: Bernhard TERMATH





THE BEST EVER XI:

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GK WIMMER
CB BOGDAN
CB SCHUSTER
RB METZ
LB BAUREIS ©
CMF GROß
CMF SOMMERLATT
AMF HÄßLER
RWF WEGELE
CF BECK
CF KUNKEL

Captain: Walter Baureis
Short free kick: Thomas Häßler
Long free kick: Thomas Häßler | Kurt Sommerlatt
Free kick 2: Stefan Groß
Right corner: Thomas Häßler | Karl Wegele
Left corner: Thomas Häßler | Kurt Sommerlatt
Penalty: Thomas Häßler


Last edited by Interista93 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:32 pm, edited 10 times in total.



Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:57 am
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Eggimann in first team? Baureis and Wimmer not in best XI? Reiser in best XI? Wilatschil as LMF? Sommerlatt, Groß, Schmidt and Müller in reserves? Szymaniak, Bilic and Famulla not even in reserves? Beck as penalty kick taker (despite having Häßler in the squad)?
Wow, just simply wow :roll:


Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:23 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Eggimann in first team? Baureis and Wimmer not in best XI? Reiser in best XI? Wilatschil as LMF? Sommerlatt, Groß, Schmidt and Müller in reserves? Szymaniak, Bilic and Famulla not even in reserves? Beck as penalty kick taker (despite having Häßler in the squad)?
Wow, just simply wow :roll:

I put Eggiman because of his international status but he's undeserving I guess. Who deserves more to take his place?
I preferred Fischer because he only played in the first league. However Wimmer is the goalkeeper with most appearances. It makes more sense to have him in the first XI.
Has Baureis to replace Schuster or Bogdan in the first XI?
I put Reiser in the first XI because he was part of the team that won the championship in 1909.
I put Witlatschil as LMF because of what I read on Transfermarkt that says he was LB and LMF.
Who Sommerlatt, Groß, Schmidt and Müller must replace? Does any of them need to be in the first team?
I will also add Szymaniak, Bilić and Famulla to the reserves. I initially put Famulla to the reserves and I don't know why I took him out.
I thought to assign Häßler as penalty taker but I got tricked by the fact that he doesn't have penalty taker ability in his set.
All that said, what are your suggestions?


Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:38 pm
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Interista93 wrote:
gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Eggimann in first team? Baureis and Wimmer not in best XI? Reiser in best XI? Wilatschil as LMF? Sommerlatt, Groß, Schmidt and Müller in reserves? Szymaniak, Bilic and Famulla not even in reserves? Beck as penalty kick taker (despite having Häßler in the squad)?
Wow, just simply wow :roll:

I put Eggiman because of his international status but he's undeserving I guess. Who deserves more to take his place

What has his "international status" (quite funny since he didn't even manage to be a regular member of the Swiss NT) to do with a club AS team? He could have played 500 international matches with 150 goals and it still wouldn't have any relevance here :roll:

Interista93 wrote:
I preferred Fischer because he only played in the first league. However Wimmer is the goalkeeper with most appearances. It makes more sense to have him in the first XI.


So what? Wimmer came to Karlsruhe when they played in second division and had financial problems. He was the backbone of his team, consistent over years and proved himself in both divisions belonging to the best keepers in both leagues. He could have gone to Köln in 1972 when they needed a replacement for Manglitz and didn't leave the club. Still wondering that you didn't put him to reserves instead of Kahn, after all Olli has "international status" while Wimmer didn't even receive a nomination for our NT..

Interista93 wrote:
I put Reiser in the first XI because he was part of the team that won the championship in 1909.

And how does that qualify him for best XI? Best XI should contain best players, not players who won most titles :roll:

Interista93 wrote:
I put Witlatschil as LMF because of what I read on Transfermarkt that says he was LB and LMF.

If you actually trust "sources" like transfermarkt, then it's not wonder that you keep on assigning wrong positions to players.
Those guys may have knowledge about current football (more or less), everything from the past (especially then it comes to 80s, 70s, 60s, etc) is often wrong and useless.
Witlatschil played on more than position but hell no he never played as LMF since there were no LMFs at that time..

And one last thing: don't know if you noticed (probably not) but the team doesn't have a single RB (except for Schütterle who could play there but mainly was RMF)..
Btw, the following players can all be linked:
Edgar SCHMITT (who shamefully isn't mentioned here despite beeing a true KSC legend)
Sergej KIRIAKOV
Bernhard TERMATH
Valeri SHMAROV
Slaven BILIĆ
Rainer SCHÜTTERLE
Burkhard REICH
Dirk SCHUSTER
Günter HERRMANN


Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:04 pm
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I made some changes. However I still have to make some others.
First of all Sommerlatt, Schmidt, Groß and Müller instead of who?
About the first XI, what do you think of a defence with four men: Bilić as LB (since he can play in that position basing on his set) and Schütterle as RB and as CBs two between Bogdan, Neumaier and Schuster. Three midfielders with Häßler as AMF instead or Reiser (who would be out of the best XI) and two CMFs (did Witlatschil play as CMF on the left side?).


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Interista93 wrote:
I made some changes. However I still have to make some others.
First of all Sommerlatt, Schmidt, Groß and Müller instead of who?
About the first XI, what do you think of a defence with four men: Bilić as LB (since he can play in that position basing on his set) and Schütterle as RB and as CBs two between Bogdan, Neumaier and Schuster. Three midfielders with Häßler as AMF instead or Reiser (who would be out of the best XI) and two CMFs (did Witlatschil play as CMF on the left side?).

Tell me one thing: what qualifies Bilic for first team here? That he has a set on this forum? Or that he got capped 44 times for his country? He played 2 1/2 good (sometimes excellent) years for them before leaving to England, there's no reason to put him in first team here..
It says a lot btw that you don't even consider Walter Baureis for best XI, put both Eberhard Carl's and Manfred Paul's name wrong, ignore Spitz Kohn and Edgar Schmitt, put Tarnat but not Manni Bender, etc..


Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:32 am
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About Carl and Paul I got tricked by the fact that their surname is an actual name. My bad!
When you suggested Bilić I thought you meant in the first team.
I added Kohn and Bender while Schmitt was already in reserves.
What about replacing Bilić with Metz who has the most appearances among the reserves and is a proper right back?
And at last what other replacements should be made?
Thanks for the help! :)


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Interista93 wrote:
gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Eggimann in first team? Baureis and Wimmer not in best XI? Reiser in best XI? Wilatschil as LMF? Sommerlatt, Groß, Schmidt and Müller in reserves? Szymaniak, Bilic and Famulla not even in reserves? Beck as penalty kick taker (despite having Häßler in the squad)?
Wow, just simply wow :roll:

I put Eggiman because of his international status but he's undeserving I guess. Who deserves more to take his place

What has his "international status" (quite funny since he didn't even manage to be a regular member of the Swiss NT) to do with a club AS team? He could have played 500 international matches with 150 goals and it still wouldn't have any relevance here :roll:

Interista93 wrote:
I preferred Fischer because he only played in the first league. However Wimmer is the goalkeeper with most appearances. It makes more sense to have him in the first XI.


So what? Wimmer came to Karlsruhe when they played in second division and had financial problems. He was the backbone of his team, consistent over years and proved himself in both divisions belonging to the best keepers in both leagues. He could have gone to Köln in 1972 when they needed a replacement for Manglitz and didn't leave the club. Still wondering that you didn't put him to reserves instead of Kahn, after all Olli has "international status" while Wimmer didn't even receive a nomination for our NT..

Interista93 wrote:
I put Reiser in the first XI because he was part of the team that won the championship in 1909.

And how does that qualify him for best XI? Best XI should contain best players, not players who won most titles :roll:

Interista93 wrote:
I put Witlatschil as LMF because of what I read on Transfermarkt that says he was LB and LMF.

If you actually trust "sources" like transfermarkt, then it's not wonder that you keep on assigning wrong positions to players.
Those guys may have knowledge about current football (more or less), everything from the past (especially then it comes to 80s, 70s, 60s, etc) is often wrong and useless.
Witlatschil played on more than position but hell no he never played as LMF since there were no LMFs at that time..

And one last thing: don't know if you noticed (probably not) but the team doesn't have a single RB (except for Schütterle who could play there but mainly was RMF)..
Btw, the following players can all be linked:
Edgar SCHMITT (who shamefully isn't mentioned here despite beeing a true KSC legend)
Sergej KIRIAKOV
Bernhard TERMATH
Valeri SHMAROV
Slaven BILIĆ
Rainer SCHÜTTERLE
Burkhard REICH
Dirk SCHUSTER
Günter HERRMANN


No wonder I won't come here more often.... :ugeek: :ugeek:
....the only player linked that is not hidden is Slaven Bilic... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Over & out!!! :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

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Yeah, I get that this forum has had problems with PSD copying stats and stuff, but there's entire all stars teams where none of the players are actually visible. I really wonder what the point of posting sets is when maybe 3 or 4 people can see them at all...

Even teams like Germany and Italy AS have several hidden players. Not to mention East Germany which basically has a full team of hidden sets. Isn't the entire purpose of this website to share sets of players for people to use?


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Team updated on suggestion from gurkenjoe93!


Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:24 pm
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StuartBannigan wrote:
Yeah, I get that this forum has had problems with PSD copying stats and stuff, but there's entire all stars teams where none of the players are actually visible. I really wonder what the point of posting sets is when maybe 3 or 4 people can see them at all...

Even teams like Germany and Italy AS have several hidden players. Not to mention East Germany which basically has a full team of hidden sets. Isn't the entire purpose of this website to share sets of players for people to use?



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