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Santos F.C. All Stars



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Coach: :BRA: LULA

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GOALKEEPERS:

:BRA: GILMAR
:URU: Rodolfo RODRÍGUEZ


DEFENDERS:

:BRA: CALVET
:BRA: CARLOS ALBERTO
:BRA: DALMO
:BRA: FORMIGA
:BRA: MAURO RAMOS
:ARG: José RAMOS DELGADO
:BRA: RILDO


MIDFIELDERS:

:BRA: ANTONINHO
:BRA: CLODOALDO
:BRA: ELANO
:BRA: LIMA
:BRA: MENGÁLVIO
:BRA: PITA
:BRA: ZITO


STRIKERS:

:BRA: COUTINHO
:BRA: DORVAL
:BRA: EDU
:BRA: PAGÃO
:BRA: PELÉ
:BRA: PEPE
:BRA: TONINHO GUERREIRO


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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

:ARG: Agustín CEJAS
:BRA: CLÁUDIO
:BRA: LAÉRCIO
:BRA: MANGA (1929)


DEFENDERS:

:BRA: ALEX
:BRA: BILU
:BRA: DJALMA DIAS
:BRA: EMERSON MARÇAL
:BRA: HÉLVIO
:BRA: JOEL CAMARGO
:BRA: LÉO
:BRA: MARINHO PERES
:BRA: NARCISO
:BRA: NENÊ
:BRA: OBERDAN
:BRA: ORLANDO PEÇANHA
:BRA: RAMIRO


MIDFIELDERS:

:BRA: AGOSTINHO MARBA
:BRA: AÍLTON LIRA
:BRA: CAMARÃO
:BRA: CÉSAR SAMPAIO
:BRA: DIEGO
:BRA: GANSO
:BRA: GIOVANNI
:BRA: GRADIM
:BRA: HAROLDO DOMINGUES
:BRA: NENÊ BELARMINO
:BRA: RAUL CABRAL
:BRA: RENATO
:BRA: VÁLTER VASCONCELOS


STRIKERS:

:BRA: ABEL
:BRA: ÁLVARO
:BRA: ARAKEN PATUSCA
:BRA: ARY PATUSCA
:BRA: DEL VECCHIO
:BRA: FEITIÇO
:BRA: JAIR
:BRA: JOÃO PAULO
:BRA: NEYMAR
:BRA: ODAIR
:BRA: ROBINHO
:BRA: SERGINHO CHULAPA
:BRA: TITE





THE BEST EVER XI:

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GK GILMAR
CB MAURO RAMOS
CB CALVET
RB CARLOS ALBERTO
LB RILDO
DMF ZITO ©
DMF CLODOALDO
CMF LIMA
SS PELÉ
SS PEPE
CF COUTINHO

Captain: Zito | Mauro Ramos
Short free kick: Pelé
Long free kick: Pepe
Free Kick 2: Clodoaldo
Left corner: Lima
Right corner: Lima
Penalty: Pelé | Pepe





INFO:
http://acervosantosfc.com/historia-do-clube/
https://acervosantosfc.com/idolos/
https://www.santosfc.com.br/en/idolos/
http://anotandofutbol.blogspot.com/2017 ... rte-1.html


Last edited by Interista93 on Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:15 am, edited 3 times in total.



Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:59 pm
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Having Alex in the first team just seems wrong, he only played 2 full seasons, and there’s plenty of players that can play CB here anyway. I really think Neymar should replace him, he led Santos to their only Libertadores without Pelé, and was already one of the best players in the world by the time he left.


Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:58 am
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Having Alex in the first team just seems wrong, he only played 2 full seasons, and there’s plenty of players that can play CB here anyway. I really think Neymar should replace him, he led Santos to their only Libertadores without Pelé, and was already one of the best players in the world by the time he left.


I agree with that, and also, for me it seems wrong for the club with so many great offensive players to have eight defenders in the first team.
Regarding Neymar, although I'm not his biggest fan, I can't deny that he had great time in Santos during which he was their key player and won some silverware, most notably of course Copa Libertadores. So, I agree with putting him in the first team.
And one more thing, I'm not so sure that Giovanni (if this is he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_ ... e_Oliveira ) deserves a place in the first team.


Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:21 pm
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Team updated.
Calvet replaced with Formiga: they were both important in the early 1960s but Formiga was also a key player during the whole 1950s and played around twice the matches Calvet did.
I agree that eight defenders were too much. So, I replaced Alex (who surely doesn't deserve to be in the first team) with center forward Toninho Guerreiro (key player in the second part of the 1960s, 368 matches and 279 goals). I know Neymar was suggested but he would be another player with SS or WF as main position. This way only Coutinho would be a proper CF. If any of you isn't sure about Toninho Guerreiro you can suggest another player but in my opinion he has to be a CF.
Giovanni surely didn't deserve a place in the main squad either and, in my opinion, so didn't Aílton Lira. After all Santos had so many midfielders who played more and were arguably better players. I replaced them with Elano (322 matches and 68 goals) and Renato (424 and 33). There would be other options as well but I chose them for their importance during the 2002 season, when Santos won a Série A after 34 years, and 2004 in case of Elano. Of course the total appearances also had a big role in the selection. Léo, who played over 400 games and he as well was part of the 2002 and 2004 squads, might be a replacement for Dalmo but I'm not sure. What do you think?
If you have any suggestion, go on! :)


Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:21 am
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IMO it shouldn't be the primary criteria that Calvet played less matches than Formiga or Joel Carvalho, he was better player than both of them and was a undisputed starter in the best ever Santos team (1962 and 1963). There's no way he can be ommited here (even in best XI he would be a far better choice than Formiga), same goes for Dalmo IMO.
I personally find Renato's selection a bit strange, it's true that he spent good amount of time at the club but his peak certainly came at Sevilla and also later at Botafogo, not Santos.
Regarding reserves: If Juary, Diego and Serginho are good/important enough to be there, then there's no reason why Ganso shouldn't be there as well.


Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:53 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
IMO it shouldn't be the primary criteria that Calvet played less matches than Formiga or Joel Carvalho, he was better player than both of them and was a undisputed starter in the best ever Santos team (1962 and 1963). There's no way he can be ommited here (even in best XI he would be a far better choice than Formiga), same goes for Dalmo IMO.
I personally find Renato's selection a bit strange, it's true that he spent good amount of time at the club but his peak certainly came at Sevilla and also later at Botafogo, not Santos.
Regarding reserves: If Juary, Diego and Serginho are good/important enough to be there, then there's no reason why Ganso shouldn't be there as well.

Okay, I'll add Calvet back in first squad and best XI instead of Formiga and I'll keep Dalmo.
If you'd replace Renato, who would you add? Antoninho or Camarão may be an option in my opinion.
I prefer not having too many reserves if possible. 13 per role is already over my usual standard of 10-12. Of course this is just a standard I use and doesn't have to be necessarily respected. Would you just add Ganso or replace Diego with him if you consider him more important? Otherwise I may take out all three players you mentioned.


Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:48 pm
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Interista93 wrote:
Okay, I'll add Calvet back in first squad and best XI instead of Formiga and I'll keep Dalmo.

I'd remove Joel, not Formiga.

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If you'd replace Renato, who would you add? Antoninho or Camarão may be an option in my opinion.


Well I'd go for Antoninho tbh but I leave that decision to you.

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I prefer not having too many reserves if possible. 13 per role is already over my usual standard of 10-12. Of course this is just a standard I use and doesn't have to be necessarily respected. Would you just add Ganso or replace Diego with him if you consider him more important? Otherwise I may take out all three players you mentioned.
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Ganso > Diego > Serginho > Juary. Therefore I'd remove Juary, move Jair to forwards and add Ganso.


Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:51 pm
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