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Messi and Ronaldo are both a burden for their teams because they cost way too much money for what they actually do on the pitch. I don't care if Ronaldo scores against Spezia, Udinese or Parma when he can't score against Inter, AC Milan or Porto.
Ronaldo is paid 31 million €, Messi gets even more. For such a salary every footballer should work his ass off on the pitch, something that especially Messi has totally forgotten to do in the last years. He's the captain of his club and it's highest player and yet he has shown more passion in his private feud with the club than actually on the pitch for almost a year now.
No one expects btw that he or Ronaldo still win all trophies. But if they're praised for good performances, then I don't get why they shouldn't be criticized for bad perfomances either.



I haven't said anything like that. But many people have disrespected guys like Modric, Kroos, Iniesta, Xavi, Ramos, Busquets or Benzema by reducing the success of Barca/Real to Messi and CR7. That's simply a fact.
Three of four UCL finals won by Real weren't decided by CR7 for example, it were Ramos and Bale who did that and the latter didn't get any form of praise or respect for that. You simply now see that it wasn't all CR7/Messi, many of their team mates did much more than they actually got credit for.

Nobody wins alone in football, the only one who go near at this concept died some months ago.

Him of course, and maybe Gigi Riva?

Riva IMO even more than Maradona, Yashin could be considered as well.
But even Michel Platini who made the greatest ever individual perfomance in a football tournament (1984 EURO) only made it together with his team mates and it's nothing different with Maradona (Valdano and Burruchaga in 1986, Goycochea in 1990), Riva or anyone else.
Diego was also the best player in 1990 and yet our NT won because they were stronger as a team.

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Keylor Navas is one of the most underrated keepers

Damn right.

If it as Porto, P$G, $ity or Chel$ea, I wouldn't have minded a QF exit.

Well Real was certainly put in the "easier" part and can finally take revenge for both 1971 and 1981
From Bayern's perspective I certainly prefer playing against PSG over two legs, especially since we play at home first and can profit from the away goal "advantage" in the second leg. Similar stuff with an eventual duel against City or Dortmund.

A Dortmund-Bayern in semifinals over two legs would have been awesome if there was no Covid.

I'd be more confident in Borussia Berlin beating Bayern over two legs than Borussia Dortmund.

The occasions are always a big plus.

just like Tottenham beating City two years ago.

Has anyone tried his luck and find some Ukraine games during the early/mid 00s? Like some friendlies, Euro 04 qualifiers or World Cup 02-06 qualifiers?

There's a full game between Scotland and Ukraine on YouTube, but it's from 2007 so I'm not sure how helpful that would be to you.

There are all of their WC2006 games on Footballia