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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4347
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Name: Paolo Rónald Montero IglesiasCountry: Uruguay Club: Juventus F.C.Position: * CB, SWP, SBSide: LF/LS Age: 25-29 years (03/09/1971) Height: 179 cm Weight: 75 kg Attack: 65Defence: 89Balance: 87Stamina: 82Top Speed: 77Acceleration: 75Response: 85Agility: 74Dribble Accuracy: 75Dribble Speed: 71Short Pass Accuracy: 76Short Pass Speed: 78Long Pass Accuracy: 77Long Pass Speed: 75Shot Accuracy: 61Shot Power: 82Shot Technique: 66Free Kick Accuracy: 60Curling: 64Header: 83Jump: 84Technique: 79Aggression: 67Mentality: 79Goalkeeper Skills: 50Team Work: 81Injury Tolerance: BCondition: 7Weak Foot Accuracy: 4Weak Foot frequency: 4Consistency: 7Growth type: Standard/LastingCARDS:S07 - Man Marking S10 - DF Leader SPECIAL ABILITIES: Marking - D-Line Control Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Defence Minded INFO:Montero is a former centre back, capable to play also as sweeper and sometimes used as left back against his will. His career began in 1990 at Peñarol. He transferred in 1992 to Atalanta, playing 128 matches and scoring 4 goals in four seasons. He joined in 1996 Juventus, where he spent the majority of his career, playing 277 games and scoring 6 times. He left the Bianconeri in 2005 and retired two years later after short spells at San Lorenzo and Peñarol. He gained 61 caps for Uruguay, scoring 5 goals, taking part to the 1997 FIFA Confederations Cup, 2002 FIFA World Cup and 2004 Copa América. Regarded as one of the best defenders of his time and one of Juventus' greatest ever centre backs, Montero was talented and intelligent, skillful on the ball thanks to a remarkable technique, calm under pressure and capable of controlling the defence with personality and clarity. He was renowned for his strength, consistency, leadership and ability to organise the play thanks to a good ball distribution. He also stood out for his timing and ability in the air. Combative and tenacious, he was also criticized for being an aggressive and overly hard tackler, who didn't hesitate to put down the opponents with bad fauls, even though he once said that he never meant to commit them but he simply used his instinct. He holds the record for most red cards received in Serie A history with 16. https://youtu.be/qFymYKDaX1U?t=120 , https://youtu.be/ZnGofC5F_aU?t=47 some defensive skills https://youtu.be/AG_xnkByIKY?t=176 , https://youtu.be/VasQndKGqpQ?t=168 , https://youtu.be/vsY5_CYz9U0?t=38 some ball distribution https://youtu.be/U6u1onknz5E?t=75 , https://youtu.be/BV25ZxPGHO4?t=4 , https://youtu.be/Q1ZP7p4Efdc?t=18 , https://youtu.be/GtGPCqZtAi4?t=44 , https://youtu.be/8ukNhj078tA?t=75 , https://youtu.be/PjZhP5uGXVs?t=47 some headers and shots https://youtu.be/NHoA8pNQLZ4?t=21 , https://youtu.be/NHoA8pNQLZ4?t=288 , https://youtu.be/NHoA8pNQLZ4?t=409 , https://youtu.be/YBa685nUDA4?t=148 , https://youtu.be/96LPoJRkZfg?t=125 fouls and flaws
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:39 pm |
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StuartBannigan
Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:43 pm Posts: 1559
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I really find it hard to justify someone like Montero being on orange Mentality when he regularly just decided to get himself sent off for no reason. I guess the problem is how to rate players like that, who consistently show very high Mentality but have moments of madness, there has to be some sort of consistency though (Norman Hunter and Juanito are both below yellow for example, while Materazzi is on 89, Ron Harris is on 93 etc.).
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:40 am |
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El Capo
Joined: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:26 am Posts: 3386 Location: Aragua De Barcelona, Venezuela
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The very same could be told about Sergio Ramos too.
Anyway, did he actually played as RB? I onky saw him on the keft (as CB or LB).
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:45 pm |
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MagicDip
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:26 pm Posts: 2070
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Quote: the problem is how to rate players like that, who consistently show very high Mentality but have moments of madness It's simple, that kind of players don't need high mentality. In Montero's case, the 80 Konami gives him is enough. Konami rated Pepe 67 in MEN for example.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:48 pm |
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El Capo
Joined: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:26 am Posts: 3386 Location: Aragua De Barcelona, Venezuela
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:53 pm |
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StuartBannigan
Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:43 pm Posts: 1559
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Well my issue is that having a MEN of 80 just makes him an ordinary player in that regard, lots of players have MEN of something like that (Ryan Giggs has 82 for example, and he was pretty much the least controversial player of all time, I don't remember him having any incidents at all). Montero should have either very low MEN (like, below 70) to represent his complete stupidity, or high MEN to represent his combative, dogged playing style. Giving him something like 80 for Mentality represents neither of those things.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:56 pm |
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TheGreatRossonero
Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:54 pm Posts: 1290
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At this point we haven't be able to figure out what really MEN does, Konami just threw up some simply and random explanation about what it's. that at some point can mislead people, since when you start to look at their ladders across all the old gen games, you'll notice that some values in some players doesn't make any sense when you compare their explanation with the values.
MEN hasn't nothing to do with been a retard playing football in PES, there isn't any way to emulate that in game, so you are wasting your time with it.
Btw i don't know what Konami was trying to do with Pepe having 67/68.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:56 am |
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El Capo
Joined: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:26 am Posts: 3386 Location: Aragua De Barcelona, Venezuela
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Nope, 80 is already a good value, just look how Konami often rated MEN starting from PES 5: Just as an example: https://www.pesmaster.com/pes-5/search/ ... order=descThere are 4855 players on PES 5 according to PES MASTER, where 1061 has MEN from 75 to 99 (less than 25% of the database if my math is correct), so no, 80 isn't a ordinary value. And from PES 2011, there are 8436 players on database, where 1570 have only MEN from 75 to 99: https://www.pesmaster.com/pes-2011/sear ... order=descThat's probably around 12-18 % of the database.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:29 am |
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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4347
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In my opinion he's a bit overrated in general. Balance 89 should be ok and it's maybe even high. Probably 89 in defence and 87-88 in balance would be more appropriate. Jumping might be decreased by 1-2 points, technique should be green and mentality as El Capo suggested.
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:52 am |
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El Capo
Joined: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:26 am Posts: 3386 Location: Aragua De Barcelona, Venezuela
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I'd favor here a swap between DEF and BB. Also i'm questioning this: Charrúan wrote: Name: Paolo Rónald Montero IglesiasCountry: Uruguay Club: Juventus F.C. Position: *CB, SB Side: LF/BS
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:17 am |
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Interista93
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:28 am Posts: 4347
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Updated.
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Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:06 pm |
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