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 EDERSON 2018-2023 
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Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Name: Ederson Santana de Moraes
Nickname: "The Bull"
ERA: 2018-2023

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Country: :BRA: Brasil
Club: Manchester City
Shirt Number: 31 (for Man City), 23 (for NT)
Position: GK
Side: LF/BS
Age: 25-30 (17/08/1993)

Height: 188 cm
Weight: 86 kg

Attack: 36
Defence: 88
Balance: 88
Stamina: 73
Speed: 70
Acceleration: 72
Response: 90
Agility: 76
Dribble Accuracy: 70
Dribble Speed: 63
Short Pass Accuracy: 82
Short Pass Speed: 83
Long Pass Accuracy: 85
Long Pass Speed: 88
Shot Accuracy: 43
Shot Power: 95
Shot Technique: 45
Free Kick Accuracy: 52
Swerve: 46
Heading: 55
Jump: 85
Technique: 72
Aggression: 62
Mentality: 83
GK Skills: 90
Team work: 85

Injury Tolerance: A
Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Standard/Lasting

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Penalty Stopper - 1-on-1 Stopper

CARDS:
S11 - Penalty Saver
S12 - 1-On-1 Keeper
S26 - GK Long Throw

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Defence-Minded

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Ederson is a Brazilian goalkeeper who plays for Manchester City. Born in Osasco, São Paulo (17/08/1993), Ederson started his professional career in 2011 at Portuguese team G.D. Ribeirão, in the Portuguese Second Division after playing in his youth for local club São Paulo F.C. and for S.L. Benfica. A year later, Ederson joined Primeira Liga club Rio Ave, signing a contract until 2014. On June 27, 2015, Ederson rejoined Benfica, where he would alternate between the first and second team, finally winning his spot as a starting goalkeeper in the 2016-17 season. On 1 June 2017, Benfica announced that Ederson had joined Premier League club Manchester City for £35 million, making him, at the time, the second most expensive goalkeeper ever. Ederson was immediately inserted as Pep Guardiola's first-choice goalkeeper and has played for the citizens ever since, winning five Premier League titles, one Champions League, one Club World Cup, and several other individual trophies, such as the Premier League Golden Glove for three consecutive seasons between 2019 and 2022. For the National Team, Ederson has worked as the second-option goalkeeper for Brazil just behind Liverpool's goalkeeper Alisson Becker; his debut for the verdeamarela came in a 3–0 win over Chile in a 2018 World Cup qualifier in October 2017. In June 2021, he made his major tournament debut for Brazil, starting and keeping a clean sheet in a 4–0 victory over Peru at the 2021 Copa América and on July 10th he started in his nation's 1–0 defeat to rivals Argentina in the final. So far, Ederson has played 25 games for Brazil, conceding 13 goals.

Ederson stands out as an agile and physically imposing goalkeeper, known not just for his formidable reflexes and shot-stopping abilities but also for his adeptness in ball distribution. His prowess extends beyond traditional goalkeeping skills; he's notably adept at maintaining possession and initiating attacks from the defensive line. This ability to swiftly distribute the ball, whether with his hands or feet, sets him apart from most goalkeepers; some pundits have gone as far as to say that "Ederson is the best goalkeeper in the world with his feet". Even when faced with intense pressure, he remains composed and can execute accurately both short and long-range passes. While he naturally favors his left foot, he exhibits proficiency with both. Because Ederson has spent the majority of his playing career in Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City side, he has a particular style of play, that compliments the positional play tactics implemented by the Spanish manager, similar to that of Manuel Neuer at Bayern under Guardiola, Ederson can be cataloged under the sweeper-keeper subcategory. Ederson also possesses one of the strongest left feet in the world of football; he currently holds the Guinness World Record for the "Longest Football Drop Kick", which he achieved after kicking the ball 75.35 m (247 ft 2 in) across the ground at the Etihad Campus on 10 May 2018.

Statistics up to January 2024

G.D. Ribeirão (2011 - 2012) - 30 games, -30 goals
Rio Ave F.C. (2012 - 2015) - 64 games, -74 goals
S.L. Benfica (2015 - 2017) - 58 games, -39 goals
Manchester City (2017 - present) - 315 games, -247 goals
Brazil (2017 - present) - 25 games, -13 goals


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Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:50 am
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his passing stats are way too low, he's easily above 85 in both, Guardiola managed to make a gk regista


Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:51 pm
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I believe that yellow values in passing for a goalkeeper are too much, even for Ederson. I upped his SPA by one point, and LPA by two points though (both could go one higher maybe?)

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Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:15 pm
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Nacho1605 wrote:
I believe that yellow values in passing for a goalkeeper are too much, even for Ederson. I upped his SPA by one point, and LPA by two points though (both could go one higher maybe?)

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the fact is that modern football is all about yellow passing stats, every world class player has them, some CD even orange ones, to me Ederson, Alisson and Ter stegen can have yellow passing no problems, they are all crucial in tiki-taka; I know is useless in game to have a GK like that but they stand above everyone else


Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:07 am
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Biondi wrote:
the fact is that modern football is all about yellow passing stats, every world class player has them, some CD even orange ones, to me Ederson, Alisson and Ter stegen can have yellow passing no problems, they are all crucial in tiki-taka; I know is useless in game to have a GK like that but they stand above everyone else


:roll: one more believing nowadays players are better. :roll: i would love to see allison passing a ball with an 1 kilo shoes, 20cm grass and a wet ball with 3 kilos on a rainy day.

Pls dont say that GKs dont have space for playing and passing too


Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:39 am
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Goalkeepers now are obviously much better at passing than they have ever been, I don’t see how you could argue against this at all. Even the modern goalkeepers that are bad at using their feet (Lloris, Donnarumma and De Gea for example) look like cavemen next to their contemporaries and their teams are at a constant disadvantage when building the play. They would look like normal goalkeepers 10 years ago but the requirements for goalkeepers have changed very quickly.


Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:44 pm
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Ederson is certainly in the yellows for passing, he's even better than most Centre-backs at it. If he were at United he'd be a midfielder :lol:


Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:04 pm
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StuartBannigan wrote:
Goalkeepers now are obviously much better at passing than they have ever been, I don’t see how you could argue against this at all. Even the modern goalkeepers that are bad at using their feet (Lloris, Donnarumma and De Gea for example) look like cavemen next to their contemporaries and their teams are at a constant disadvantage when building the play. They would look like normal goalkeepers 10 years ago but the requirements for goalkeepers have changed very quickly.



Yes. The same way Didi couldnt curve a ball but now everybody are specialist in curling.

You can put all players who played at Jabulani's World Cup with 99 curling.

PS: Ederson is indeed an exception. He is not the case.


Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:39 pm
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There have always been goalkeepers that can kick the ball far, but there hasn’t always been goalkeepers that can kick the ball accurately. For 90% of football’s history the goalkeeper just tried to kick the ball as far up the pitch as possible. It’s a change in attitude that lead to a change in ability, not a change in equipment or anything. Goalkeepers are just objectively much more accurate at kicking the ball now than before.


Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:57 pm
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Updated based on suggestions.

SPA - 7477 - I might have underrated Ederson's short passing; I think he is at the same level as Ter-Stegen, whose a 77 in this forum and I deem pretty accurate
SPS - 7475
LPS - 77 - 78

I believe his LPA could go to a 79, or even to an 80, but I'd rather wait for suggestions before updating again.


Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:44 pm
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The fact they didn't, doenst mean they couldnt.

If you dont put them in proportion at least a bit, you have to put all past players with 40 or 50 in stamina. Doenst make sense to put players that could only run an average of 2km per game at the same field with players who run 12km average per game.

We simply couldnt play with old players in game. We have at least to check how much stamina players had in comparasion with others and imagine they could run more if they were athletic as nowadays players. Of course we should save some old caractheristics.

I bet PES game doesnt make differences if you put an old shoes on players or maybe change de ball.

I mean if Didi could curve that kind of ball that much, he certarly could curve it even more nowadays. Probably Roberto Carlos couldnt curve much the old balls as he did in the 90s.

If we didnt give any kind of proportion to GK's passing we could simply ignore all old GKs, because wasnt only passing that improve about them. They are much better nowadays, in every aspect.

It is only a matter to put the in perspectives comparing era's standards


Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:47 pm
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The thing is, as Stuart said, ball-distributing goalkeepers is a trend that started just a few years ago. One could argue stuff like curling, stamina, shot power, or other stats that have to do with the preparation or types of equipment players from other eras had, because it's true that with modern equipment and training older legends could be at a similar level to today's players, but that is different from passing in goalkeepers. It is enough to look back 10 years to find a gigantic difference in how goalkeepers played and distributed the ball; with the same equipment and the same physical preparation as today. Or don't even look back 10 years. Nowadays goalkeepers like De Gea or Lloris, without any type of passing ability, seem like amateurs when you compare them with Neuer, Ederson, or Ter-Stegen in that characteristic.
If Alisson had not been able to pass the ball as he does today with 1-kilo shoes, 20cm tall grass, and a 3-kilo wet ball on a rainy day, he wouldn't have been able to do so 20 years ago playing with an Adidas Tricolore and some pair of Total 90s, because that's not what goalkeepers did back then.


Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:03 pm
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It would be relevant with only passing skills have improved over the years but it is not true. Every aspect of a goalkeeper improved with years.

Of course, passing probably had the most improvement.

The thing is you have to put them in perspective, we can not simply put all they in yellow as it was suggested. You have to consider that GK now has to play with foot and how good in comparasion with others they are.

Again, otherwise you put all nowadays players with orange stamina because there is no players who run less than 10km per game now and there wasnt players who run 5km back them.

Thats my point. Im not going beyond that.

So, if you go with all in yellow passing doing the argument that now they play with foot. You have to put all them with orange stamina because all of them run a lot.

You just need to put nowadays GK in a higher standard to do passing stats, not comparing with old legends and put all them in yellow


Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:27 pm
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Bola Clássica wrote:
You just need to put nowadays GK in a higher standard to do passing stats, not comparing with old legends and put all them in yellow


But isn't that what we are doing? Ederson is probably the best passing goalkeeper in history, along with Neuer and Ter-Stegen, and none of them in this forum have more than 78 in any passing stat.


Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:33 pm
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In my humble opinion, the best choice is evaluate what We see, if now players need to have +90 in sta then it should be done because PES have his own limitations but is still the best emulador game of football.

About Ederson, He could have even reds in long passing, He send 40 - 50 meters range pass with a lot of power but I know is controvertial.


Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:40 pm
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