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Author: | burdel [ Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:40 am ] |
Post subject: | how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/20? |
hello i'm searching a guide or a tool for convert the stats for pes 13 to pes19 or pes 20. there are some different or missing stats and special abilities are not the same |
Author: | Mikerdead39 [ Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Interista93 wrote: Is there any way to measure Aggression from current PES to old stats? I even thought Mentality was a good substitute, but I came across Pepe, who has 92 Aggression in PES 21 and 74 Mentality here. |
Author: | Interista93 [ Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Mikerdead39 wrote: Is there any way to measure Aggression from current PES to old stats? I even thought Mentality was a good substitute, but I came across Pepe, who has 92 Aggression in PES 21 and 74 Mentality here. I'd say mentality and the actual aggression are the opposite but at the same time can be considered related. A player with low mentality who was an aggressive hot head should have high aggression in my opinion. Strangely though Konami gave players like Pepe or Montero less than 80 in AGG. So I don't know how it really works. |
Author: | Mikerdead39 [ Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Interista93 wrote: Mikerdead39 wrote: Is there any way to measure Aggression from current PES to old stats? I even thought Mentality was a good substitute, but I came across Pepe, who has 92 Aggression in PES 21 and 74 Mentality here. I'd say mentality and the actual aggression are the opposite but at the same time can be considered related. A player with low mentality who was an aggressive hot head should have high aggression in my opinion. Strangely though Konami gave players like Pepe or Montero less than 80 in AGG. So I don't really know how it really works. Yeah, dude. I thought about Mentality because apparently a lot of players with high Mentality also fit with the current concept of Aggression (Roy Keane, Gattuso, Ramos, Conte, Passarella etc.), I think it can be used as a parameter, but not as a substitute. |
Author: | Interista93 [ Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Mikerdead39 wrote: Yeah, dude. I thought about Mentality because apparently a lot of players with high Mentality also fit with the current concept of Aggression (Roy Keane, Gattuso, Ramos, Conte, Passarella etc.), I think it can be used as a parameter, but not as a substitute. Mmh, what if it's actually a substitute though? I mean, I take as example Montero again. I gave him MEN 79 in this forum to balance his combativeness and ability to get himself sent off with a useless foul from nowhere. He actually has AGG less than 80 in PES 2021. |
Author: | Mikerdead39 [ Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Interista93 wrote: Mikerdead39 wrote: Yeah, dude. I thought about Mentality because apparently a lot of players with high Mentality also fit with the current concept of Aggression (Roy Keane, Gattuso, Ramos, Conte, Passarella etc.), I think it can be used as a parameter, but not as a substitute. Mmh, what if it's actually a substitute though? I mean, I take as example Montero again. I gave him MEN 79 in this forum to balance his combativeness and ability to get himself sent off with a useless foul from nowhere. He actually has AGG less than 80 in PES 2021. Yes, it may be, not a perfect substitute and identical, but the fact that they have players like the examples I cited above shows that it's more than a coincidence. I think it depends on the case. |
Author: | Talel_Allison [ Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Interista93 wrote: Thanks Interista93 for your great explanation but i think Agility it's not the same as Tight Possession, accually it's more related to Technique and Dribble Accuracy. Let's take examples: Dennis BERGKAMP had here 85 as Agility, but in Konami stats he had as Tight Possession 96, 99 TEC and 92 DA (so i think Tight Possession is the mixture between TEC and DA and little bit of Agility) because it's naive to player like RIQUELME had 75 as Tight Possession. Otherwise in my opinion, Agility is more attached to Body Control(Balance in Konami 2020 stats). For the Shot Technique, Interista93 said that replaced with abilities(Rabona/Chip shot control/Rising Shots/Dipping Shot).So, the question here what about addition more abilities in this forum, even for the new stats upcomming, for players like Captaincy(Important for players who had low MET and TMW like Uruguay captain Paolo MONTERO),No Look Pass and the others, even for Goalkeepers(GK Low Punt and GK High Punt). So, what do you think ? |
Author: | Interista93 [ Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Talel_Allison wrote: Thanks Interista93 for your great explanation but i think Agility it's not the same as Tight Possession, accually it's more related to Technique and Dribble Accuracy. Let's take examples: Dennis BERGKAMP had here 85 as Agility, but in Konami stats he had as Tight Possession 96, 99 TEC and 92 DA (so i think Tight Possession is the mixture between TEC and DA and little bit of Agility) because it's naive to player like RIQUELME had 75 as Tight Possession. Otherwise in my opinion, Agility is more attached to Body Control(Balance in Konami 2020 stats). For the Shot Technique, Interista93 said that replaced with abilities(Rabona/Chip shot control/Rising Shots/Dipping Shot).So, the question here what about addition more abilities in this forum, even for the new stats upcomming, for players like Captaincy(Important for players who had low MET and TMW like Uruguay captain Paolo MONTERO),No Look Pass and the others, even for Goalkeepers(GK Low Punt and GK High Punt). So, what do you think ? You're welcome! By the way, your reply made me think of something. Lionel Messi has Acceleration 92 and Agility 96 in PES 2011 (the last title with the old gen stats). Body Control was introduced in PES 2017. Messi has Explosive Power 92 and Body Control 95 in 2018. Some sources even refer to Explosive Power as Acceleration. In fact, Acceleration was reintroduced in PES 2020, replacing Explosive Power. That leads to the conclusion that then Body Control corresponds to Agility. Tight Possession is definitely Dribbling Speed since it's in Dribbling section and most Goalkeepers have it lower than 60. Therefore, there's no need to make useless average values anymore. Thanks for making me notice that! Regarding adding abilities in the sets, I don't think that would be a bad thing. After all, there are sets who have them. Maybe it'd be best though to specify between brackets what PES we're referring to. |
Author: | Mikerdead39 [ Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Interista93 wrote: Talel_Allison wrote: Thanks Interista93 for your great explanation but i think Agility it's not the same as Tight Possession, accually it's more related to Technique and Dribble Accuracy. Let's take examples: Dennis BERGKAMP had here 85 as Agility, but in Konami stats he had as Tight Possession 96, 99 TEC and 92 DA (so i think Tight Possession is the mixture between TEC and DA and little bit of Agility) because it's naive to player like RIQUELME had 75 as Tight Possession. Otherwise in my opinion, Agility is more attached to Body Control(Balance in Konami 2020 stats). For the Shot Technique, Interista93 said that replaced with abilities(Rabona/Chip shot control/Rising Shots/Dipping Shot).So, the question here what about addition more abilities in this forum, even for the new stats upcomming, for players like Captaincy(Important for players who had low MET and TMW like Uruguay captain Paolo MONTERO),No Look Pass and the others, even for Goalkeepers(GK Low Punt and GK High Punt). So, what do you think ? You're welcome! By the way, your reply made me think of something. Lionel Messi has Acceleration 92 and Agility 96 in PES 2011 (the last title with the old gen stats). Body Control was introduced in PES 2017. Messi has Explosive Power 92 and Body Control 95 in 2018. Some sources even refer to Explosive Power as Acceleration. In fact, Acceleration was reintroduced in PES 2020, replacing Explosive Power. That leads to the conclusion that then Body Control corresponds to Agility and so does Tight Possession. Therefore, there's no need to make useless average values anymore. Thanks for making me notice that! Regarding adding abilities in the sets, I don't think that would be a bad thing. After all, there are sets who have them. Maybe it'd be best though to specify between brackets what PES we're referring to. wow, so i wasn't wrong after all. I think the reaction of Agility and Body Control is similar to Mentality with the current Aggression. They are not EXACTLY the same thing but there is a similarity between players who have high X and also have high Y. One interesting thing he said and it reminded me of something else. When a player has high ST (85+) I give Acrobatic Finish and First-Time Shot in Player Skills. player with high HEA (85+) I give Heading in Player Skills. Player with high Curling (90+) I give Knuckle Shot and Dipping Shot (the exception in this case of Dipping Shot is just Didi). For Tight Possession I only give the same value as Dribbling. I think that's it. |
Author: | Interista93 [ Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Mikerdead39 wrote: wow, so i wasn't wrong after all. I think the reaction of Agility and Body Control is similar to Mentality with the current Aggression. They are not EXACTLY the same thing but there is a similarity between players who have high X and also have high Y. One interesting thing he said and it reminded me of something else. When a player has high ST (85+) I give Acrobatic Finish and First-Time Shot in Player Skills. player with high HEA (85+) I give Heading in Player Skills. Player with high Curling (90+) I give Knuckle Shot and Dipping Shot (the exception in this case is just Didi) I think that's it. I agree with almost everything. However, high ST doesn't necessarily mean that a player should have both. Being able to score first time doesn't mean being also able to hit a bicycle from nowhere, for example. Also, the First Time Shot ability existed in the old titles as well since 1-touch Play was probably referred to both passes and shots. I never though about Knuckle Shot and Dipping Shot for players with high curling. That's a nice suggestion. I wouldn't relate Mentality to Aggression. It's true that Mentality is related to how long the player can do well against fatigue and the percentage of mistakes but Aggression simply means the decisiveness of the tackles. High Mentality can definitely be replaced by the Fighting Spirit card. In fact, goalkeepers also have it. |
Author: | Mikerdead39 [ Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Interista93 wrote: It's true that Mentality is related to how long the player can do well against fatigue and the percentage of mistakes but Aggression simply means the decisiveness of the tackles. High Mentality can definitely be replaced by the Fighting Spirit card. In fact, goalkeepers also have it. Yes, I just do it for lack of a better number. Agression would be something like "Pressing" and there isn't quite a number for that in the old gen stats. So instead of making up a number, I put MEN, including goalkeepers, as it doesn't really matter, it's not like goalkeepers are going to start acting like CBs |
Author: | Mikerdead39 [ Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Well, I was trying to figure out how to measure the new "Aggression" and I saw there's no way. My suggestion to put in the same number as Mentality was totally bullshit, so I tried to do a few things. I thought about dividing the numbers of BAL/RES/DEF, then just BAL/DEF or BAL/RES, but nothing comes to a similar number. I think the solution is to use our own intuition and knowledge to create that number. Considerations: •Old defenders (pre-70) tend to have a higher number because of their style at the time. •High Balance defenders can have high numbers because, irl, this body advantage is often used to "attack" forwards with tight tackles. Furthermore, the Interista's suggestion is accurate: Interista93 wrote: Therefore, I'd give it higher value to aggressive tacklers and hot-heads. |
Author: | guilermerr [ Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: how convert correctly the stats in this forum for pes19/ |
Mikerdead39 wrote: Interista93 wrote: Is there any way to measure Aggression from current PES to old stats? I even thought Mentality was a good substitute, but I came across Pepe, who has 92 Aggression in PES 21 and 74 Mentality here. Wonderful explanation! One question: how would you do the reverse (PES19 to PES6)? Of course, it can be assumed that in most cases, the only attributes that were not mentioned were DS, SPS, LPS, ST, AGG, MEN and TWK |
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