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JeanMarc wrote:

I'll tell you why am I angry:
Neuer won WC, so what :?:

Illgner won WC too, Turek as well, and they were both better keepers...How many players from 1954 team are in Germany's first team :?:

27DONI72 wrote:

I agree but if our standard of choice for all stars teams/nationals is how much players has been important for the team/national.

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Concerning Messi, well, in my criteria for entering in this team he shouldn't be here.. his influence and sucess with NT aren't good, also he didn't played for any senior club from SA, only looking on individual quality, but I wouldn't put him for now..

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Why? He is by far better than Messi and had played more than good role in two South American clubs.. He is Argentinian born, it's true that played for Spain NT he didn't appeared in any big tournament but he scored 23 goals in 31 matches and changed history of Spanish football..

artemds wrote:

It says all stars not biggest achievements ...

TheGreatRossonero wrote:

So we have to avoid these shamefull things , with no intention of offense anybody.

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Probably Messi will become the best player in history in my opinion , i respect if other think that other player can be the better

StuartBannigan wrote:

So if someone wants to make a genuine argument as to why Rosetta should be there over Cannavaro, go ahead, but there really is no acceptable reason other than bias...

StuartBannigan wrote:

I really fail to see why Rosetta is in the first team despite the fact he only played in the opening game at the 1934 World Cup, if anyone from the 30s should be in the team, it should be Monzeglio or Rava, especially Monzeglio who won 2 World Cups and was in the team of the tournament in 1934. And of course, Cannavaro deserves first team much more, being the captain in 2006 and giving legendary performances the whole tournament, certainly better than Nesta ever played for Italy...

Having Rosetta in the team is like having Alfred Pfaff or Heinz Flohe in the Germany team or Ricardo Bochini in the Argentina team: legendary players, but played basically no part in their countries biggest achievements. And Rosetta is not someone like Baggio who is arguably Italy's greatest attacking player of all time and the best player of his generation. So if someone wants to make a genuine argument as to why Rosetta should be there over Cannavaro, go ahead, but there really is no acceptable reason other than bias...

27DONI72 wrote:

If our criterium is national performance Cannavaro should be in for sure, amazing in 2006 but very good in 1998 (not against Salas :lol:

) and in 2000. Nesta was surely better than Cannavaro but he was very unlucky and always injuried so Fabio has reached higher performances than him.

Author:	Pes Edit [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Italy All Stars
*Team created by a collaborative effort of 27DONI72, Milos, StuartBannigan and gurkenjoe93* ITALY ALL STARS Honours: • FIFA World Cup Winners (4): 1934, 1938, 1982, 2006 Runners-up (2): 1970, 1994 Third place (1): 1990 Fourth place (1): 1978 • UEFA European Championship Winners (2): 1968, 2021 Runners-up (2): 2000, 2012 Fourth place (1): 1980 Semi-finals (1): 1988 • UEFA Nations League Third place (1): 2021 • FIFA Confederations Cup Third place (1): 2013 COACH: Vittorio POZZO The best ever Italian players 23-man squad GOALKEEPERS: ● Dino ZOFF ● Gianluigi BUFFON DEFENDERS: ● Giacinto FACCHETTI ● Claudio GENTILE ● Gaetano SCIREA ● Giuseppe BERGOMI ● Franco BARESI ● Paolo MALDINI ● Fabio CANNAVARO MIDFIELDERS: ● Giovanni FERRARI ● Gianni RIVERA ● Sandro MAZZOLA ● Romeo BENETTI ● Giancarlo ANTOGNONI ● Marco TARDELLI ● Andrea PIRLO FORWARDS: ● Raimundo ORSI ● Giuseppe MEAZZA ● Silvio PIOLA ● Luigi RIVA ● Paolo ROSSI ● Bruno CONTI ● Roberto BAGGIO _____________________________________________________________ *RESERVES:* GOALKEEPERS: ● Gianpiero COMBI ● Enrico ALBERTOSI ● Walter ZENGA DEFENDERS: ● Virginio ROSETTA ● Umberto CALIGARIS ● Eraldo MONZEGLIO ● Tarcisio BURGNICH ● Roberto ROSATO ● Antonio CABRINI ● Alessandro NESTA ● Gianluca ZAMBROTTA ● Giorgio CHIELLINI ● Leonardo BONUCCI MIDFIELDERS: ● Adolfo BALONCIERI ● Michele ANDREOLO ● Valentino MAZZOLA ● Giacomo BULGARELLI ● Giancarlo DE SISTI ● Franco CAUSIO ● Gabriele ORIALI ● Roberto DONADONI ● Demetrio ALBERTINI ● Daniele DE ROSSI FORWARDS: ● Angelo SCHIAVIO ● Gino COLAUSSI ● Giampiero BONIPERTI ● Angelo DOMENGHINI ● Francesco GRAZIANI ● Roberto BETTEGA ● Alessandro ALTOBELLI ● Gianluca VIALLI ● Christian VIERI ● Francesco TOTTI *THE BEST EVER XI* GK ZOFF SWP BARESI CB MALDINI RB/CB BERGOMI LB/LWB FACCHETTI © DMF SCIREA CMF TARDELLI AMF RIVERA SS MEAZZA SS BAGGIO CF RIVA Captain: Giacinto Facchetti \| Dino Zoff \| Franco Baresi \| Giuseppe Meazza Short Free Kick: Roberto Baggio \| Luigi Riva \| Gianni Rivera Long Free Kick: Gianni Rivera \| Roberto Baggio Left Corner: Gianni Rivera \| Roberto Baggio Right Corner: Gianni Rivera \| Roberto Baggio Penalty: Giuseppe Meazza \| Gianni Rivera

Author:	gurkenjoe93 [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
JeanMarc wrote: I'll tell you why am I angry: Neuer won WC, so what Illgner won WC too, Turek as well, and they were both better keepers...How many players from 1954 team are in Germany's first team . This is a joke right? No one in Germany (even not in Köln) would say that these two keepers were better than Neuer Although I know you hate modern football but you can't be serious if you say that Turek is a better GK than Neuer..

Author:	Ninja'd [ Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
Linked every player in the team: Spoiler: show The best ever Italian players 23-man squad GOALKEEPERS: ● Dino ZOFF ● Gianluigi BUFFON DEFENDERS: ● Virginio ROSETTA ● Giacinto FACCHETTI ● Gaetano SCIREA ● Claudio GENTILE ● Franco BARESI ● Giuseppe BERGOMI ● Paolo MALDINI ● Alessandro NESTA MIDFIELDERS: ● Giovanni FERRARI ● Romeo BENETTI ● Franco CAUSIO ● Sandro MAZZOLA ● Gianni RIVERA ● Giancarlo ANTOGNONI ● Marco TARDELLI ● Bruno CONTI FORWARDS: ● Giuseppe MEAZZA ● Silvio PIOLA ● Luigi RIVA ● Paolo ROSSI ● Roberto BAGGIO _____________________________________________________________ *RESERVES:* GOALKEEPERS: ● Gianpiero COMBI ● Enrico ALBERTOSI ● Walter ZENGA ● Gianluca PAGLIUCA DEFENDERS: ● Renzo DE VECCHI ● Umberto CALIGARIS ● Luigi ALLEMANDI ● Eraldo MONZEGLIO ● Alfredo FONI ● Pietro RAVA ● Ardico MAGNINI ● Sergio CERVATO ● Armando PICCHI ● Tarcisio BURGNICH ● Sandro SALVADORE ● Roberto ROSATO ● Antonio CABRINI ● Pietro VIERCHOWOD ● Alessandro COSTACURTA ● Ciro FERRARA ● Antonio BENARRIVO ● Fabio CANNAVARO ● Gianluca ZAMBROTTA MIDFIELDERS: ● Adolfo BALONCIERI ● Fulvio BERNARDINI ● Giancarlo DE SISTI ● Valentino MAZZOLA ● Fabio CAPELLO ● Giacomo BULGARELLI ● Gabriele ORIALI ● Roberto DONADONI ● Fernando DE NAPOLI ● Giuseppe GIANNINI ● Gianfranco ZOLA ● Dino BAGGIO ● Demetrio ALBERTINI ● Gennaro GATTUSO ● Andrea PIRLO FORWARDS: ● Raimundo ORSI ● Angelo SCHIAVIO ● Giampiero BONIPERTI ● Angelo DOMENGHINI ● Roberto BONINSEGNA ● Roberto BETTEGA ● Francesco GRAZIANI ● Alessandro ALTOBELLI ● Gianluca VIALLI ● Roberto MANCINI ● Salvatore "Totò" SCHILLACI ● Giuseppe SIGNORI ● Christian VIERI ● Alessandro DEL PIERO ● Francesco TOTTI

Author:	artemds [ Wed May 03, 2017 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
Michele ANDREOLO to reserves?

Author:	TheGreatRossonero [ Thu May 04, 2017 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
Use a spoiler with a list of 11 Honorable Mentions..

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Author:	El Capo [ Thu May 04, 2017 3:25 pm ]
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More reserves here? Unlikely. The only logical debate here is the capitano campione del mondo Cannavaro in for the forever injured Nesta.

Author:	gordon#21 [ Thu May 04, 2017 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
about standard of serect player is ability>title? If I'm right, I don't say anything to this team..

Author:	El Capo [ Thu May 04, 2017 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
27DONI72 wrote: I agree but if our standard of choice for all stars teams/nationals is how much players has been important for the team/national. This must be the absolute "criteria" regarding AS.

Author:	artemds [ Thu May 04, 2017 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
It says all stars not biggest achievements ...

Author:	El Capo [ Thu May 04, 2017 5:01 pm ]
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artemds wrote: It says all stars not biggest achievements ... Aside from Gattuso with technique aka Benetti and R. Baggio, all of them have won something with the Nazionale, so yes, biggest achivements mean something for this kind of team. TheGreatRossonero wrote: So we have to avoid these shamefull things , with no intention of offense anybody. Quote: Concerning Messi, well, in my criteria for entering in this team he shouldn't be here.. his influence and sucess with NT aren't good, also he didn't played for any senior club from SA, only looking on individual quality, but I wouldn't put him for now.. Quote: Why? He is by far better than Messi and had played more than good role in two South American clubs.. He is Argentinian born, it's true that played for Spain NT he didn't appeared in any big tournament but he scored 23 goals in 31 matches and changed history of Spanish football.. Probably Messi will become the best player in history in my opinion , i respect if other think that other player can be the better Not the place to comment that, but at least he was honoured with his name on reserves there for becoming the top-scorer of his nation.

Author:	artemds [ Thu May 04, 2017 5:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
Yes mean something but not all neither the amount of matches.

Author:	StuartBannigan [ Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
I really fail to see why Rosetta is in the first team despite the fact he only played in the opening game at the 1934 World Cup, if anyone from the 30s should be in the team, it should be Monzeglio or Rava, especially Monzeglio who won 2 World Cups and was in the team of the tournament in 1934. And of course, Cannavaro deserves first team much more, being the captain in 2006 and giving legendary performances the whole tournament, certainly better than Nesta ever played for Italy... Having Rosetta in the team is like having Alfred Pfaff or Heinz Flohe in the Germany team or Ricardo Bochini in the Argentina team: legendary players, but played basically no part in their countries biggest achievements. And Rosetta is not someone like Baggio who is arguably Italy's greatest attacking player of all time and the best player of his generation. So if someone wants to make a genuine argument as to why Rosetta should be there over Cannavaro, go ahead, but there really is no acceptable reason other than bias...

Author:	El Capo [ Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
StuartBannigan wrote: So if someone wants to make a genuine argument as to why Rosetta should be there over Cannavaro, go ahead, but there really is no acceptable reason other than bias... You answered yourself.

Author:	27DONI72 [ Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Italy All Stars
StuartBannigan wrote: I really fail to see why Rosetta is in the first team despite the fact he only played in the opening game at the 1934 World Cup, if anyone from the 30s should be in the team, it should be Monzeglio or Rava, especially Monzeglio who won 2 World Cups and was in the team of the tournament in 1934. And of course, Cannavaro deserves first team much more, being the captain in 2006 and giving legendary performances the whole tournament, certainly better than Nesta ever played for Italy... Having Rosetta in the team is like having Alfred Pfaff or Heinz Flohe in the Germany team or Ricardo Bochini in the Argentina team: legendary players, but played basically no part in their countries biggest achievements. And Rosetta is not someone like Baggio who is arguably Italy's greatest attacking player of all time and the best player of his generation. So if someone wants to make a genuine argument as to why Rosetta should be there over Cannavaro, go ahead, but there really is no acceptable reason other than bias... Not exactly, Rosetta has been a great player for Italy but he should be out for another motivation: in modern football he would be sweeper and we have already Baresi and Scirea. If our criterium is national performance Cannavaro should be in for sure, amazing in 2006 but very good in 1998 (not against Salas ) and in 2000. Nesta was surely better than Cannavaro but he was very unlucky and always injuried so Fabio has reached higher performances than him.

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Author:	El Capo [ Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:05 pm ]
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27DONI72 wrote: If our criterium is national performance Cannavaro should be in for sure, amazing in 2006 but very good in 1998 (not against Salas ) and in 2000. Nesta was surely better than Cannavaro but he was very unlucky and always injuried so Fabio has reached higher performances than him. Well of course the main criteria is their perfomance at international level. And what's this bullshit as "players class"? We are talking about the top NT on the world, not so random poor NT like Venezuela or China where you eventually will bring the most known players to fill the squad.