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Author:	Charrúan [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:02 pm ]
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AFRICA All Stars GOALKEEPERS: Joseph-Antoine BELL Thomas N'KONO Bruce GROBBELAAR DEFENDERS: Mustapha ZITOUNI Bwanga TSHIMEN Emmanuel KUNDÉ Ibrahim YOUSSEF Stephen KESHI Stephen TATAW Uche OKECHUKWU Hany RAMZY Lucas RADEBE Noureddine NAYBET Rigobert SONG MIDFIELDERS: Mustapha DAHLEB Théophile ABEGA Tarak DHIAB Lakhdar BELLOUMI Mohammed TIMOUMI Abedi PELE Jay-Jay OKOCHA Michael ESSIEN FORWARDS: Osei KOFI Salif KEÏTA Roger MILLA Segun ODEGBAMI Mahmmoud AL-KHATIB Rabah MADJER Rashidi YEKINI George WEAH Didier DROGBA Samuel ETO'O _____________________________________________________________ RESERVES: GOALKEEPERS: Robert MENSAH Badou ZAKI Essam EL-HADARY DEFENDERS: Marcel SALVA Rifaat EL-FANAGEELY John ESHUN Simon LEHOKO Noureddine KOURICHI Mahmoud GUENDOUZ André KANA-BIYIK Taribo WEST Wael GOMAA Samuel KUFFOUR LAUREN Hatem TRABELSI Celestine BABAYARO Kolo TOURÉ Medhi BENATIA MIDFIELDERS: Saleh SELIM Hacène LALMAS Ibrahim SUNDAY Ahmed HASSAN Ali BENCHEIKH Haruna ILERIKA Tarik EL-TAIB Patrick NTSOELENGOE Aziz BOUDERBALA Youssouf FOFANA FINIDI George Zoubeir BAYA Mustapha HADJI Sunday OLISEH Stephen APPIAH Yaya TOURÉ FORWARDS: Teslim BALOGUN Chérif SOULEYMANE Ahmed FARAS Laurent POKOU Hassan SHEHATA Jules BOCANDÉ Kalusha BWALYA Salah ASSAD Ahmed OUDJANI Rachid MEKHLOUFI Japhet N'DORAM Tony YEBOAH Hossam HASSAN Patrick M'BOMA Emmanuel AMUNIKE Daniel AMOKACHI Victor IKPEBA Nwankwo KANU Benni McCARTHY THE BEST EVER XI: ---------------------------------N'Kono------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------Keshi--------Zitouni-------Okechukwu---------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------Essien------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------Abedi Pele------------------- ---------------------Belloumi---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------Okocha------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------Weah----------------------------Eto'o---------------------- --------------------------------Drogba-------------------------------------

Author:	gurkenjoe93 [ Thu May 26, 2022 12:46 pm ]
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While I don't have time to update the team in general, I have a suggestion for the first team here: Spoiler: show GOALKEEPERS: Joseph-Antoine BELL Thomas N'KONO Bruce GROBBELAAR DEFENDERS: Mustapha ZITOUNI Stephen KESHI Noureddine NAYBET LAUREN Taye TAIWO Medhi BENATIA Kwadwo ASAMOAH Kalidou KOULIBALY Achraf HAKIMI => Original team lacked SBs, I added two for each side + five CBs. LB position is clearly the "worst", those two might be the best since other alternatives (Ghoulam, Boka, Bedimo, Babayaro) aren't much better. Bensebaini might be a possible choice in the future if his performances stay on the current level at his new club (probably BVB). Koulibaly needs no explanation, Benatia is debatable and could of course be replaced by Kuffour, Djené, Kundé or Radebe. MIDFIELDERS: Paul BONGA BONGA Théophile ABEGA Tarak DHIAB Lakhdar BELLOUMI Abedi PELE Jay-Jay OKOCHA Michael ESSIEN Seydou KEITA Yaya TOURÉ Riyad MAHREZ => I tried to balance this team a bit by adding Yaya Touré, Bonga Bonga (whose absence was IMO the biggest mistake of this team) and Keita. Maybe Oliseh would be a good choice here to have a DMF as well. Mahrez needs no explanation of course. FORWARDS: Rachid MEKHLOUFI Salif KEÏTA Roger MILLA Rabah MADJER George WEAH Didier DROGBA Samuel ETO'O Pierre-Emerick AUBAMEYANG Sadio MANÉ Mohamed SALAH => The biggest strength of this team. I added Mekhloufi, Salah, Mané and Auba since they all are/were top players in Europe's biggest leagues for a long time, something that doesn't apply for Yekini, Odegbami, Al-Khatib and Kofi. Formation should be something like this IMO:

Author:	Interista93 [ Thu May 26, 2022 1:43 pm ]
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I agree regarding the players selected by gurkenjoe93 for the first team. Maybe I'd replace Benatia with Radebe, just to have a South African in the first squad. I don't know who will be kept in the reserves but here are some suggestions for players to add: GOALKEEPERS: Tommy SYLVESTRE (selected by CAF as one of 200 African greatest ever players) as alternative Jean KEÏTA or Tony SILVA DEFENDERS: DJENÉ Joseph YOBO MIDFIELDERS: Mahamadou DIARRA Fernando LAGE Jomo SONO Luciano VASSALLO FORWARDS: Keïta Omar BARROU BIRI BIRI Godfrey CHITALU Frédéric KANOUTÉ François M'PELÉ Mengistu WORKU In my opinion Taribo West, Celestine Babayaro, Tarik El-Taib, Stephen Appiah, Emmanuel Amunike and maybe even more are quite debatable.

Author:	James9408 [ Thu May 26, 2022 5:15 pm ]
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Doctor Khumalo and Patrick Ntsoelengoe would also be great South African additions

Author:	Interista93 [ Thu May 26, 2022 5:19 pm ]
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James9408 wrote: Doctor Khumalo and Patrick Ntsoelengoe would also be great South African additions Ntsoelengoe is already among the reserves. Khumalo is a valid choice.

Author:	El Capo [ Fri May 27, 2022 4:05 am ]
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Joël Matip as well, even if he's occasionally fooling around, he has been around for more than a decade at European top level.

Author:	James9408 [ Fri May 27, 2022 8:55 am ]
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I would possibly throw in John Obi Mikel also but there are limited spaces in the reserves

Author:	27DONI72 [ Fri May 27, 2022 9:26 am ]
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What standard we use? Performance in NT? Player level/career? Importance for African football?

Author:	Interista93 [ Fri May 27, 2022 11:30 am ]
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27DONI72 wrote: What standard we use? Performance in NT? Player level/career? Importance for African football? I use all those plus individual awards and wide recognition as best (or one of the best) player from a specific country.

Author:	Bola Clássica [ Fri May 27, 2022 7:18 pm ]
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What "importance for African football" means? I mean... considering the NT aspect is already cover, nowadays no African player has any importance for the football of their continent.

Author:	Interista93 [ Fri May 27, 2022 7:33 pm ]
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Bola Clássica wrote: What "importance for African football" means? I mean... considering the NT aspect is already cover, nowadays no African player has any importance for the football of their continent. He might mean how important a player was for the African football movement worldwide. There are players who were considered among the best in Africa. Fernando Lage, for example, was even considered better than Eusébio by Eusébio himself. That, of course, in Mozambique. As big as Lage was in Africa, he never cared about playing in Europe despite having some offers. He's a pioneer of Mozambican football but he surely didn't contribute in making African football important worldwide, unlike Grobbelaar, Madjer, Weah, Eto'o, Drogba, Salah, to name a few.

Author:	Bola Clássica [ Fri May 27, 2022 8:22 pm ]
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Interista93 wrote: Bola Clássica wrote: What "importance for African football" means? I mean... considering the NT aspect is already cover, nowadays no African player has any importance for the football of their continent. He might mean how important a player was for the African football movement worldwide. There are players who were considered among the best in Africa. Fernando Lage, for example, was even considered better than Eusébio by Eusébio himself. That, of course, in Mozambique. As big as Lage was in Africa, he never cared about playing in Europe despite having some offers. He's a pioneer of Mozambican football but he surely didn't contribute in making African football important worldwide, unlike Grobbelaar, Madjer, Weah, Eto'o, Drogba, Salah, to name a few. Ok, got it! Pretty tough job though but actually very interesting. The reason I questioned it is because I realize the efforts of you guys creating Asia and Africa teams and went back to check the South America one and it seemed so much confusing in terms of criterias that were used. EDIT: I thought it was about win titles for an African team, like the CAF Champions League.

Author:	Interista93 [ Fri May 27, 2022 9:43 pm ]
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Bola Clássica wrote: I thought it was about win titles for an African team, like the CAF Champions League. Yeah, titles won in Africa probably is an accidental criteria for some of the reserves. I don't recall, for example, any of the players selected for the first team by gurkenjoe93 as multiple CAF Champions League winners. Still, his selection is definitely accurate. Bola Clássica wrote: The reason I questioned it is because I realize the efforts of you guys creating Asia and Africa teams and went back to check the South America one and it seemed so much confusing in terms of criterias that were used. It's not easy to make a satisfying continental all stars team unless you add 100-200 players. I tried to give a spot to more countries for my Asian All Stars team but there are players who just can't be left out.

Author:	gurkenjoe93 [ Sat May 28, 2022 7:24 am ]
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Interista93 wrote: Bola Clássica wrote: I thought it was about win titles for an African team, like the CAF Champions League. Yeah, titles won in Africa probably is an accidental criteria for some of the reserves. I don't recall, for example, any of the players selected for the first team by gurkenjoe93 as multiple CAF Champions League winners. Still, his selection is definitely accurate. I guess you mean additional, not accidental About the competition itself: I have nothing against it. Abega won it twice and also Mahmoud El Khatib/Cherif Souleymane/Mohamed Aboutrika would have been valid choices here as both great players and multiple CAF Champions league winners but tbh still rank other players higher that showed their class on the European top level. Interista93 wrote: It's not easy to make a satisfying continental all stars team unless you add 100-200 players. I tried to give a spot to more countries for my Asian All Stars team but there are players who just can't be left out. Exactly. Btw, maybe you could post a suggestion for reserves, then we could discuss it here.

Author:	Interista93 [ Sat May 28, 2022 12:22 pm ]
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Yeah, I think "additional" should've been be the word. Anyway, this is my selection for the reserves and I'm aware that several players may be debatable: Spoiler: show GOALKEEPERS: Essam EL-HADARY Robert MENSAH Tommy SYLVESTRE Badou ZAKI DEFENDERS: Mehdi BENATIA (as I said, I'd have RADEBE in the first team) DJENÉ Wael GOMAA Samuel KUFFOUR Emmanuel KUNDÉ Hany MOUSTAFA (regarded as one of Africa's greatest left backs) Hany RAMZY Rigobert SONG Kolo TOURÉ Hatem TRABELSI Bwanga TSHIMEN Joseph YOBO MIDFIELDERS: Aziz BOUDERBALA Mustapha DAHLEB Mahamadou DIARRA Rifaat EL-FANAGILY Mustapha HADJI Ahmed HASSAN Fernando LAGE Hacène LALMAS Sunday OLISEH Jomo SONO Mohammed TIMOUMI Luciano VASSALLO FORWARDS: Jules BOCANDÉ Kalusha BWALYA Godfrey CHITALU Ahmed FARAS FINIDI George Hossam HASSAN Frédéric KANOUTÉ Mahmoud EL KHATIB Patrick M'BOMA François M'PELÉ Patrick NTSOELENGOE Laurent POKOU As I select only 12 players per role, there are some more possible choices for the forwards: Keïta Omar BARROU BIRI BIRI Nwankwo KANU (I personally wouldn't consider him at all) Benny McCARTHY Chérif SOULEYMANE Tony YEBOAH Mengistu WORKU

Author:	Bola Clássica [ Sat May 28, 2022 3:38 pm ]
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What about Geremi Njitap, Adebayor and Aboutrika?

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