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Team created by a collaborative effort of 27DONI72, Milos, StuartBannigan and gurkenjoe93

BRAZIL ALL STARS



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Honours:

FIFA World Cup

Winners (5): 1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, 2002
Runners-up (2): 1950, 1998
Third place (2): 1938, 1978
Fourth place (2): 1974, 2014


FIFA Confederations Cup

Winners (4): 1997, 2005, 2009, 2013
Runners-up (1): 1999
Fourth place (1): 2001


Copa América

Winners (9): 1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, 1997, 1999, 2004, 2007, 2019
Runners-up (12): 1921, 1925, 1937, 1945, 1946, 1953, 1957, 1959, 1983, 1991, 1995, 2021
Third place (7): 1916, 1917, 1920, 1942, 1959, 1975, 1979
Fourth place (3): 1923, 1956, 1963



COACH: Mário ZAGALLO

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The best ever Brazilian players 23-man squad



GOALKEEPERS:

GILMAR
Cláudio TAFFAREL


DEFENDERS:

Mauro RAMOS
NÍLTON SANTOS
DJALMA SANTOS
BELLINI
Carlos ALBERTO
EDINHO
Roberto CARLOS


MIDFIELDERS:

DIDI
ZITO
GÉRSON
RIVELINO
ZICO
FALCÃO
SÓCRATES
TONINHO CEREZO


FORWARDS:

ZIZINHO
GARRINCHA
PELÉ
JAIRZINHO
ROMÁRIO
RONALDO





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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

BARBOSA
CASTILHO
Émerson LEÃO


DEFENDERS:

DOMINGOS DA GUIA
ORLANDO
Luís PEREIRA
OSCAR
JÚNIOR
BRANCO
ALDAIR
CAFU
LUCIO
THIAGO SILVA


MIDFIELDERS:

DANILO ALVIM
BAUER
Mário ZAGALLO
CLODOALDO
DIRCEU
DUNGA
MAURO SILVA
RIVALDO
RONALDINHO
KAKÁ


FORWARDS:

Arthur FRIEDENREICH
LEÔNIDAS
JAIR
ADEMIR
JULINHO
VAVÁ
TOSTÃO
CARECA
BEBETO
NEYMAR






THE BEST EVER XI

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GK GILMAR
CB BELLINI ©
CB MAURO RAMOS
RB DJALMA SANTOS
LB NÍLTON SANTOS
CMF DIDI
CMF FALCÃO
AMF ZICO
RWF GARRINCHA
SS PELÉ
CF ROMÁRIO

Captain: Bellini | Mauro Ramos
Short Free Kick: Zico | Didi | Garrincha
Long Free Kick: Didi | Zico
Left Corner: Zico | Didi
Right Corner: Zico | Didi
Penalty: Pelé | Zico | Romário | Djalma Santos


Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:20 pm
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Guys this is not the selection of players who won the World Cup.
Zizinho surely deserves the first team


Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:38 am
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One more thing: this team has 8 AMCs and SS’s but only 1 winger and 1 CMF, it’s totally unbalanced. Jairzinho and Gerson should be in the team for balance if nothing else...


Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:44 pm
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It makes sense if we want a back-up of Garrincha.

No team on the world would take part on a big tournament without destroyers, rather than Gerson or Cerezo, i rather put Dunga here: 10 years playing and world cup winning captain, needless to mention that he was a good DMF with playmaking abilities.

Jairzinho In
Tostão Out

Bellini In
Domingos Out

Dunga In
Luís Pereira Out

Be "realistic" and not biased.


Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:13 pm
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El Capo wrote:
It makes sense if we want a back-up of Garrincha.

No team on the world would take part on a big tournament without destroyers, rather than Gerson or Cerezo, i rather put Dunga here: 10 years playing and world cup winning captain, needless to mention that he was a good DMF with playmaking abilities.

Jairzinho In
Tostão Out

Bellini In
Domingos Out

Dunga In
Luís Pereira Out

Be "realistic" and not biased.


Do you guys really think that any of us mods will actually do something here when you accuse us of beeing biased in the same moment?


Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:26 pm
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I think only one of Domingos or Pereira should be removed for Bellini, the team only has 3 CBs as it is. I’d rather Rivaldo was removed for Dunga than one of them...

And please Joe, you started it in the first place by calling me dumb. Everyone is biased, including me, I’m just trying to look at it logically.


Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:32 pm
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I usually don't take part to the AS talk but the Brazil AS team should be one of the easiest to make.
If you want to take in account all the great players they had from 1919 to 2018, here the ones that should be talked about (more or less). Pick your 23 starters and the rest will be the 23 subs.

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BARBOSA
GILMAR*
LEAO
TAFFAREL*


DOMINGOS DA GUIA*
DJALMA SANTOS
NILTON SANTOS*
BELLINI*
MAURO
CARLOS ALBERTO*
LUIS PERREIRA
JUNIOR
BRANCO
CAFU*
ROBERTO CARLOS*
LUCIO*
THIAGO SILVA
MARCELO


DANILO
ZIZINHO*
DIDI*
ZITO*
GERSON
RIVELINO
CLODOALDO
TONINHO CEREZO
FALCAO
DUNGA*
SOCRATES*
ZICO*
RIVALDO
RONALDINHO*


FRIEDENREICH
LEONIDAS*
ADEMIR
PELE*
GARRINCHA*
ZAGALLO
VAVA
JAIRZINHO*
TOSTAO
CARECA*
BEBETO
ROMARIO*
RONALDO*
NEYMAR

*My first team


Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:14 pm
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That’s a good idea, it should be voted on, instead of any suggestions just being shot down...

My choices are:

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Gilmar
Taffarel

Nilton Santos
Djalma Santos
Cafu
Carlos Alberto
Bellini
Domingos da Guia
Mauro Ramos
Roberto Carlos

Didi
Dunga
Gerson
Socrates
Zico
Zizinho
Falcao

Pelé
Jairzinho
Leonidas
Romario
Ronaldo
Garrincha


Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:51 pm
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I agree with StuartBannigan even though it's a pity that Branco and Rivelino have to stay out. Branco wasn't even considered as a reserve. :o


Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:01 pm
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My take lol

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1 Gilmar: GK
12 Leao: GK

4 Bellini: CB
3 Thiago Silva: CB, SWP
2 Cafu: RB, RWB, RMF
6 Roberto Carlos: LB, LWB, LMF
14 Carlos Alberto: CB, RB
15 Mauro Ramos: CB
13 Djalma Santos: RB, CB
16 Nilton Santos: LB, CB

5 Dunga: DMF, CMF
8 Falcao: CMF, DMF, AMF
20 Zico: AMF, SS
18 Toninho Cerezo: CMF, DMF
21 Socrates: AMF, CMF, SS, CF
23 Rivelino: AMF, CMF, SS, LWF

10 Pele: SS, CF, AMF
11 Romario: CF
9 Ronaldo: CF
7 Garrincha: RWF, SS
22 Rivaldo: SS, RWF, LWF, AMF
17 Ademir: CF, SS, LWF, RWF, AMF
19 Careca: CF, SS

4-2-2-2/"4-2-4"/"2-4-4" FORMATION:

GK Gilmar
CB Bellini
CB Thiago Silva
RB/RWB Cafu
LB/LWB Roberto Carlos
DMF/CMF Dunga
DMF/CMF Falcao
AMF/SS Zico
AMF/SS Pele
CF Romario
CF Ronaldo

Captains: Dunga | Bellini | Cafu
Short Free Kick: Zico
Long Free Kick: Zico/Roberto Carlos
Free Kick 2: Roberto Carlos
Left Corner: Zico/Roberto Carlos
Right Corner: Zico/Ronaldo
Penalty: Pele/Zico/Ronaldo/Romario


Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:05 pm
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I don't want to be disrespectful but since exist a hidden section is proof of distrust and disrespect for older members.

I know is important to take care of everybody job's but this is just a game to have fun, is not like writting a book or a real work, people just got too instense...



And as you are asking the opinion for the members of this topic I present mine...

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----GK
Gilmar
Leao

----CB,SW,SB
Edinho
Bellini
Mauro Ramos
Carlos Alberto
Nilton Santos
Djalma Santos
Roberto Carlos
Cafú

----DMF,CMF,AMF
Toninho Cerezo
Didí
Falcao
Gerson
Sócrates
Rivelino

----CF,SS,WF
Jairzinho
Garrincha
Zico
Romario
Ronaldo
Tostao
Pele


Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:26 pm
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Well, here is my suggestion:

GK: Gilmar, Taffarel

DEF: D. Santos, N. Santos, C. Alberto, R. Carlos, Lúcio, Mauro, Bellini, Domingos

MID: Didi, Zizinho, Falcão, Ronaldinho, Zico, Rivelino, Sócrates, Zito

FOR: Pelé, Ronaldo, Romário, Leônidas, Garrincha


Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:28 pm
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IMHO the team is very good I'd make only 3 changes to equilibrate the team:
OUT:
Leonidas, Rivaldo
IN:
Dunga and one between Zito/Gerson/Clodoaldo/Cerezo

Other players must stay here.

If you want: out Socrates and in Jairzinho because there's no a reserve for Garrincha even if Socrates could play there, but I don't agree to add other offensive players like the drunk Dinho.


Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:00 pm
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Socrates and Leonidas out of Brazil AS and one of the most overrated players (who wouldn't even have become captain if Raí hadn't been out of form) in, just hilarious (but hey, some even want to take Didi out here :roll: )..
And no, Dunga was not even half as good as Cerezo and Zito (not even mentioning Clodoaldo, Bauer or Alemao), but apparently winning a WC suddenly is worth more than actual class of the players itself..


Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:34 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Socrates and Leonidas out of Brazil AS and one of the most overrated players (who wouldn't even have become captain if Raí hadn't been out of form) in, just hilarious (but hey, some even want to take Didi out here :roll: )..
And no, Dunga was not even half as good as Cerezo and Zito (not even mentioning Clodoaldo, Bauer or Alemao), but apparently winning a WC suddenly is worth more than actual class of the players itself..


Yes, it does, specially when you're a cornerstone of the winning team, come on be serious.

And he was better at passing and defensive prowess then those two, even a better leader.


Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:45 pm
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Well, let's look it this way then - Zito won two World Cups and even scored in one final match.


Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:00 pm
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