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ARGENTINA ALL STARS



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Honours:

FIFA World Cup

Winners (2): 1978, 1986
Runners-up (3): 1930, 1990, 2014


FIFA Confederations Cup

Winners (1): 1992
Runners-up (2): 1995, 2005


Copa América

Winners (14): 1921, 1925, 1927, 1929, 1937, 1941, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1955, 1957, 1959, 1991, 1993
Runners-up (14): 1916, 1917, 1920, 1923, 1924, 1926, 1935, 1942, 1959, 1967, 2004, 2007, 2015, 2016
Third place (4): 1919, 1956, 1963, 1989
Fourth place (2): 1922, 1987



COACH: Carlos Salvador BILARDO

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The best ever Argentinian players 23-man squad



GOALKEEPERS:

Amadeo CARRIZO
Ubaldo FILLOL


DEFENDERS:

Carlos SOSA
Silvio MARZOLINI
Roberto PERFUMO
Daniel PASSARELLA
Alberto TARANTINI
Oscar RUGGERI
Javier ZANETTI


MIDFIELDERS:

Antonio SASTRE
José Manuel MORENO
Adolfo PEDERNERA
Osvaldo ARDILES
Diego MARADONA
Fernando REDONDO
Diego SIMEONE


FORWARDS:

Ángel LABRUNA
Félix LOUSTAU
Omar CORBATTA
Luis ARTIME
Mario KEMPES
Gabriel BATISTUTA
Lionel MESSI





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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

Américo TESORIERE
Rogelio DOMÍNGUEZ
Antonio ROMA


DEFENDERS:

Ludovico BIDOGLIO
José SALOMÓN
Norberto YÁCONO
Pedro DELLACHA
José RAMOS DELGADO
Rafael ALBRECHT
Quique WOLFF
Jorge OLGUÍN
José Luis BROWN
Roberto SENSINI
José CHAMOT
Roberto AYALA
Juan Pablo SORÍN
Walter SAMUEL


MIDFIELDERS:

Luis MONTI
Ernesto LAZZATTI
Néstor ROSSI
Eliseo MOURIÑO
Ernesto GRILLO
Omar SÍVORI
Antonio RATTIN
Ermindo ONEGA
Miguel BRINDISI
Beto ALONSO
Ricardo BOCHINI
Ricardo GIUSTI
Juan BARBAS
Jorge BURRUCHAGA
Matías ALMEYDA
Ariel ORTEGA
Juan Sebastián VERÓN
Juan Román RIQUELME
Esteban CAMBIASSO
Javier MASCHERANO


FORWARDS:

Alberto OHACO
Manuel SEOANE
Guillermo STÁBILE
Manuel FERREIRA
Roberto CHERRO
Bernabé FERREYRA
Francisco VARALLO
Carlos PEUCELLE
● Herminio MASANTONIO
● Enrique GARCÍA
Vicente DE LA MATA
René PONTONI
Rinaldo MARTINO
Norberto MÉNDEZ
José SANFILIPPO
René HOUSEMAN
Daniel BERTONI
Jorge VALDANO
Claudio CANIGGIA
Hernán CRESPO





THE BEST EVER XI

Captain: Daniel Passarella

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Captains: Daniel Passarella | Diego Maradona | Oscar Ruggeri | Félix Losteau
Short Free Kick: Diego Maradona | Gabriel Batistuta
Long Free Kick: Daniel Passarella | Diego Maradona
Right Corner: Diego Maradona | Fernando Redondo
Left Corner: Antonio Sastre | Diego Maradona
Penalty: Diego Maradona | Gabriel Batistuta | Mario Kempes | Daniel Passarella

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ALTERNATIVE BEST EVER XI
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:18 pm
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Linked every reserve player found on the forum:

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Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:06 am
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Thanks Ninja'd

All reserve players on this forum now are linked....


Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:02 pm
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Rogelio DOMÍNGUEZ

Can be linked.


Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:10 pm
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Eliseo MOURIÑO

Guillermo STÁBILE

Vicente DE LA MATA

René PONTONI

José SANFILIPPO


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Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:41 pm
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Why Menotti is the coach of this team??? The most succesful coach with Argentina is Carlos Salvador Bilardo; he played two World Cup Finals and won in 1986. And if you want to put the most succesful argentinian manager, it has to be Helenio Herrera (I know that he has never managed Argentina but he's the most succesfull coach from Argentina). By the way, Menotti had a "little help" from the military government in the World Cup 1978.


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Albiceleste wrote:
Why Menotti is the coach of this team??? The most succesful coach with Argentina is Carlos Salvador Bilardo; he played two World Cup Finals and won in 1986. And if you want to put the most succesful argentinian manager, it has to be Helenio Herrera (I know that he has never managed Argentina but he's the most succesfull coach from Argentina). By the way, Menotti had a "little help" from the military government in the World Cup 1978.


Replaced Menotti with Bilardo.


Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:31 pm
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Thanks. And I think that is time to include Messi in the team, not only into reserves. I'm from Argentina and I'm not a "Messi fan" or something like that, but he played three Copa América finals and one World Cup Final (in 2014 Messi and Mascherano were the best players of Argentina by far). I know that he didn't win that tournaments and some people say "Messi doesn't play well in Argentina, only in Barcelona". But I saw Messi and he played very good matches with the Selección and he led the team to the finals. In the last three finals the real problem was that Agüero, Higuaín and Palacio played really bad. Messi was always alone and he had to dribble all the players of the opposite team everytime. Not only champions write history (Cruyff, Zico, Maldini, Roberto Baggio, etc).


Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:42 am
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I was thinking to add him, not just because he carrying almost the non existent attacking work of the Argentina forward (and that's a fact, people can confirm it by themselves if they objectively watch the games), it's because he became the all time goalscorer of Argentina and if they had won the Copa America Centenario that would had been by far enough justification to add him.

I wonder why Pupi is there if he didn't achieve anything playing there with the "Celeste y Blanco", then i ask, why Lio can't?

The most likely guys to be replaced by him are either Corbatta (an almost similar player) or Artime.


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Yes, I think the same. For me Corbatta, Peucelle or Artime are the most likely to be replaced.


Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:59 am
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It will be Corbatta, since he doesn't fit the line-up (no WF) while Messi can be the Maradona's sub in the AMF/SS position there.


Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:40 am
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First of all: I have nothing against Messi in the first team, he deserves it surely because of his quality as a player and archievements with the NT.
But you can't deny that he failed in those three finals. A player of his quality must be a decisive factor in at least one of those games and if he fails to score/assist in all of them, it's his fault too and not only the fault of his team mates..
Btw, I don't agree with Bilardo as coach. He wasn't such a great coach, Argentina won in 1986 because Maradona was in his prime (both in Football and Handball) and Briegel couldn't catch up with Burruchaga. Same goes for 1990 when Argentina reached the final only because of Maradona and Goycochea's penalty saving abilities, not because of Bilardo.
The coach should be Guillermo Stabile as he coached the team for 21 years and won 6 Copas with them..


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I can only say, that this (including him) Argentina generation forwards/midfielders have a serious mental issue when it comes to play finals (because the defense was ok)..Surely he has faul with missing his chances, but certainly not by assisting/playmaking which he does the best that he's allowed..

The coach stuff is difficult: In one hand you have a coach who won six Copa America (without a doubt an amazing achivement) and in the other hand you have other coach who won the WC and reach another final (losing to an controversial penalty, but still they "deserve" to lose since they played the final in order to reach the penalties).


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The couch problem is something big to deal , in argentina is knowded like ¨menotismo¨ vs ¨Bilardismo¨ is two different ways to play , like all we know menotti and bilardo dont have a good relationship , if isa good way to put a Couch is better to have the two in the position, stabile is a good option , anybode remenbers him , only the memories guys , but if the two couchs can be in the place i suggested Bilardo , is better one WC and Finalist , Menotti only won WC and make a discussting WC in Spain with all that problem of the Foulkand Islands ,(the point of hand and others things , is football, i can discuss about the 2008-09 chelsea vs barce , three penalties missed , is a robery. or the mexico vs panama other scandal ).


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For me, the coach has to be Bilardo. Why no Menotti? Because Bilardo made better results than him and, I repeat, the 1978 team was a very good team but they had a "little help" from the military government. And why no Stábile? He won six Copas América, a great achievement, no doubt about it. But here in Argentina, we give more value to the World Cups, not so much to the Copas Americas, it's a fact. And in 1958 (the only World Cup with Stábile as a manager) Argentina lost 6-1 to Czechoslovakia in the first round, the worst loss in our history, known as "El desastre de Suecia" ("the Sweden disaster"). The people insulted the team when they went back to Argentina and Stábile left the team after that loss.
Talking about Messi, he deserves a place in the team, I expressed my opinion in a previous message. And if you talk about the finals, he didn't play EXCELLENT but he played well, not bad. The only opportunity that he missed was a shot in the World Cup Final but it wasn't an easy shot. He's always the only attacking force in Argentina because Higuaín, Aguero and Palacio didn't do anything and missed the few opportunities that we had.


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