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BRAZIL ALL STARS



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Honours:

FIFA World Cup

Winners (5): 1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, 2002
Runners-up (2): 1950, 1998
Third place (2): 1938, 1978
Fourth place (2): 1974, 2014


FIFA Confederations Cup

Winners (4): 1997, 2005, 2009, 2013
Runners-up (1): 1999
Fourth place (1): 2001


Copa América

Winners (8): 1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, 1997, 1999, 2004, 2007
Runners-up (11): 1921, 1925, 1937, 1945, 1946, 1953, 1957, 1959, 1983, 1991, 1995
Third place (7): 1916, 1917, 1920, 1942, 1959, 1975, 1979
Fourth place (3): 1923, 1956, 1963



COACH: Vicente FEOLA

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The best ever Brazilian players 23-man squad



GOALKEEPERS:

GILMAR
Cláudio TAFFAREL


DEFENDERS:

DOMINGOS DA GUIA
NÍLTON SANTOS
DJALMA SANTOS
Mauro RAMOS
Carlos ALBERTO
Luís PEREIRA
CAFU
Roberto CARLOS


MIDFIELDERS:

ZIZINHO
DIDI
RIVELINO
ZICO
FALCÃO
SÓCRATES
RIVALDO


FORWARDS:

LEÔNIDAS
GARRINCHA
PELÉ
TOSTÃO
ROMÁRIO
RONALDO





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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

BARBOSA
MANGA
Émerson LEÃO


DEFENDERS:

BELLINI
ORLANDO
● Roberto DIAS
MARINHO CHAGAS
OSCAR
JÚNIOR
EDINHO
LEANDRO
MAURO GALVÃO
ALDAIR
LUCIO


MIDFIELDERS:

DANILO ALVIM
BAUER
ZAGALLO
ZITO
GÉRSON
ADEMIR DA GUIA
CLODOALDO
Toninho CEREZO
DUNGA
RAÍ
MAURO SILVA
RONALDINHO
KAKÁ


FORWARDS:

Arthur FRIEDENREICH
JAIR
ADEMIR
BALTAZAR
JULINHO
CANHOTEIRO
VAVÁ
AMARILDO
JAIRZINHO
Roberto DINAMITE
REINALDO
ÉDER
CARECA
BEBETO






THE BEST EVER XI

Captain: Domingos da Guia

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GK GILMAR
CB MAURO RAMOS
CB DOMINGOS ©
RB DJALMA SANTOS
LB NILTON SANTOS
CMF DIDI
CMF FALCÃO
AMF ZICO
RWF GARRINCHA
SS PELÉ
CF ROMARIO

Captain: Domingos da Guia | Mauro Ramos
Short Free Kick: Zico | Didi | Garrincha
Long Free Kick: Didi | Zico
Left Corner: Didi | Zico
Right Corner: Didi | Zico
Penalty: Pelé | Zico | Djalma Santos


Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:20 pm
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El Capo wrote:
gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Socrates and Leonidas out of Brazil AS and one of the most overrated players (who wouldn't even have become captain if Raí hadn't been out of form) in, just hilarious (but hey, some even want to take Didi out here :roll: )..
And no, Dunga was not even half as good as Cerezo and Zito (not even mentioning Clodoaldo, Bauer or Alemao), but apparently winning a WC suddenly is worth more than actual class of the players itself..


Yes, it does, specially when you're a cornerstone of the winning team, come on be serious.

And he was better at passing and defensive prowess then those two, even a better leader.

He was also the guy who was mainly blamed for Brazil's shameful exit at the 1990 WC and the cornerstone of the shitty team that got raped by Zizou in 1998 (where was the "leader" in this match?) :roll:


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Milos wrote:
Well, let's look it this way then - Zito won two World Cups and even scored in one final match.


See? It's not too dificult.

gurkenjoe93 wrote:
He was also the guy who was mainly blamed for Brazil's shameful exit at the 1990 WC and the cornerstone of the shitty team that got raped by Zizou in 1998 (where was the "leader" in this match?) :roll:


Who gives a shit what he "did" in 1990 after he lead them to win the world cup in 1994? Is like saying that Ronaldo shouldn't be here despite having won the world cup in 2002 because he had a underwhelming perfomance to his standards as a player in the 1998 WC as a whole (not only the final).

That shitty team was mentally damaged after seen his best player suffered a epilepsy attack the night before the final, who knows what could have happened if that didn't occured.

Neverthless, Dunga scored the penalty that meant the victory in the penalty shootout against Italy in the 1994 final and Netherlands in the 1998 semifinals, that sounds someone who has the guts to take a kick in such crucial moment.


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Socrates and Leonidas out of Brazil AS and one of the most overrated players (who wouldn't even have become captain if Raí hadn't been out of form) in, just hilarious (but hey, some even want to take Didi out here :roll: )..
And no, Dunga was not even half as good as Cerezo and Zito (not even mentioning Clodoaldo, Bauer or Alemao), but apparently winning a WC suddenly is worth more than actual class of the players itself..

I think you are underrating Dunga.
BTW names are not important put the ones you prefer, this team is unbalanced, there are too much useless players. My favourite would be Cerezo but maybe other players has been more important than him in national team. They need DMF and CMF.

You will put max 4 of them in starting XI :

AMF: Zico/Rivelino/Zizinho
RW: Garrincha
SS: Pelè/Tostao
CF: Ronaldo/Romario

They need eventually a RW like Jairzinho or keep Socrates in this place. Leonidas and Rivaldo are legends but there are too much players in those spots.


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Not being serious is the proper term.

EDIT:

The other thing would be "updating" the formation to a 4-2-2-2 line up, thus removing the option of having multiples WF in the squad, but sitting Garrincha is similar to commit a sin, so i'm not pushing this anyway.


Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:44 pm
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I am not Dungas' fan, I prefer Cerezo or Clodoaldo to be honest. Of course instead of Rivaldo.


I would put Jairzinho instead of Zizinho.


Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:16 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
He was also the guy who was mainly blamed for Brazil's shameful exit at the 1990 WC and the cornerstone of the shitty team that got raped by Zizou in 1998 (where was the "leader" in this match?) :roll:


It’s not exactly great leadership to headbutt an opposition player in the World Cup final either, but I’m not going to use that as a reason that Zidane shouldn’t be in France All Stars. Also it’s funny you criticising me for saying Zizinho losing in 1950 should count against him, and then blaming Dunga for failing to win in 90 and 98. If you say that winning the World Cup shouldn’t be a reason to have someone in the team, then failing to win it shouldn’t change anything either...

I personally think Cerezo was a better player than Dunga, but I also think it should be based on your importance to the history of the national team. When you think of legendary Brazilian players, you think of the players that lead them to their 5 World Cup titles, not the water carrier that helped them to a 3rd place finish and a quarter final exit (that he was partly responsible for in the first place). It also shouldn’t be based on who was the better player, but who actually played better for Brazil. Otherwise we would have Maradona in Barcelona AS, Kopa in Real Madrid AS, Del Piero in Italy AS and Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard in England AS etc. It has to be consistent.


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Don't ask my fella to be serious.


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