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COACH:

:ARG: José Omar Pastoriza

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GOALKEEPERS:

:ARG: Miguel Ángel SANTORO
:ARG: Fernando BELLO

DEFENDERS:

:ARG: Roberto FERREIRO
:ARG: Francisco SÁ
:ARG: Nestor CLAUSEN
:ARG: Enzo TROSSERO
:ARG: Hugo VILLAVERDE
:URU: Ricardo PAVONI
:ARG: Miguel Ángel LÓPEZ

MIDFIELDERS:

:ARG: Claudio MARANGONI
:ARG: Ricardo GIUSTI
:ARG: Antonio SASTRE
:ARG: Jorge BURRUCHAGA
:ARG: José PASTORIZA
:ARG: Miguel Ángel RAIMONDO
:ARG: Ricardo BOCHINI

ATTACKERS:

:ARG: Ernesto GRILLO
:ARG: Raul BERNAO
:ARG: Daniel BERTONI
:PAR: Arsenio ERICO
:ARG: Héctor YAZALDE
:ARG: Vicente de la MATA
:ARG: Luis ARTIME

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RESERVES:

GOALKEEPERS:

:URU: Carlos GOYEN
:ARG: Luis ISLAS
:COL: Faryd MONDRAGON

DEFENDERS:

:ARG: Jorge OLGUÍN
:ARG: Gabriel MILITO
:ARG: Eduardo TUZZIO
:ARG: Pablo ROTCHEN
:ARG: Guillermo RÍOS
:ARG: Eduardo COMMISSO
:ARG: Tomás ROLAN

MIDFIELDERS:

:ARG: Ruben GALVAN
:ARG: Daniel MONTENEGRO
:PAR: / :ARG: Roberto ACUÑA
:ARG: Osvaldo MURA
:ARG: Daniel GARNERO
:ARG: Alejandro SEMENEWICZ
:ARG: Dante MIRCOLI

ATTACKERS:

:ARG: Raimundo ORSI
:ARG: Luis RAVASCHINO
:URU: Zoilo CANAVERY
:ARG: Norberto OUESTE
:ARG: Camilo CERVINO
:ARG: Aníbal TARABINI
:ARG: Manuel SEOANE


THE BEST EVER XI

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GK SANTORO
CB TROSSERO
CB VILLAVERDE
RB CLAUSEN
LB PAVONI (C)
DMF MARANGONI
AMF/CMF SASTRE
AMF BOCHINI
RWF/SS V. DE LA MATA
LWF/SS BERTONI
CF ERICO

Captains: Ricardo Pavoni | Miguel Ángel Santoro | Enzo Trossero | Ricardo Bochini
Short Free Kick: Enzo Trossero/Ricardo Pavoni/Daniel Bertoni
Long Free Kick: Enzo Trossero/Ricardo Pavoni
Free Kick 2: Ricardo Bochini
Left Corner: Daniel Bertoni
Right Corner: Vicente De La Mata/Daniel Bertoni
Penalty: Enzo Trossero/Ricardo Pavoni/Arsenio Erico/Daniel Bertoni

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Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:21 pm
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Thanks for the team but I don't think that it's possible to leave out their best player (Sastre) in the best XI..
I also don't understand why de la Mata should play as CMF despite beeing a forward..


Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:34 pm
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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Thanks for the team but I don't think that it's possible to leave out their best player (Sastre) in the best XI..
I also don't understand why de la Mata should play as CMF despite beeing a forward..

Your welcome, about the formation, yeah i know that Sastre(yeah is a sin, many friends that are from independiente already told me something like that) is out, i found this formation few years ago, so i get used to it to play with it in my OF, about De La Mata he also plays like a CMF and i read that even sometimes like a WB, but if you or anyone has a better formation, please feel free to post it here. ;)

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De La Mata and Bochini actually should be set as AMF, and Bernao and Bertoni should be set as WF if you want to keep the image.

Also there was no WB role back then :s .

P.S:

Sastre actually can play, for Bernao


Formation could be like this actually:

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GK SANTORO
CB TROSSERO
CB VILLAVERDE
RB CLAUSEN
LB PAVONI
DMF MARANGONI
AMF/CMF SASTRE
AMF BOCHINI
RWF/SS V. DE LA MATA
LWF/SS BERTONI
CF ERICO

Captains: Ricardo Pavoni | Miguel Ángel Santoro | Enzo Trossero | Ricardo Bochini
Short Free Kick: Enzo Trossero/Ricardo Pavoni
Long Free Kick: Enzo Trossero/Ricardo Pavoni
Free Kick 2: Ricardo Bochini
Left Corner: Daniel Bertoni
Right Corner: Vicente De La Mata/Daniel Bertoni
Penalty: Enzo Trossero/Ricardo Pavoni

All the players in their most recognizables roles :mrgreen:


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Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:18 pm
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El Capo wrote:
De La Mata and Bochini actually should be set as AMF, also there was no WB role back then :s .

A friend from independiente send me little magazine from "Infierno Rojo" and it says that sometimes he was a mildfielder that ups and down from the side of the midfield so i guess that the description it means WB. Sometimes there a things that you can't find on internet. ;)

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I have edited my post above containing a more 'inside the box' formation, check it :mrgreen: .


Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:58 pm
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Updated.

Also i feel surprised that anyone noticed that i make the intended mistake of put Tagliafico among the reserves. :mrgreen:

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Prove that everyone around knows only basic stuff about "El Rey de Copas" :mrgreen: (including me)


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What I'm wondering about is why Seoane isn't part of the first team (despite beeing second best goalscorer in Independiente history + spending most of his career at the club) while Artime is part of the first squad although he only played two years for Independiente..
Btw, if possible, try to add some more players for reserves, 18 players in reserves is quite a small number for a club that won Copa Libertadores seven times (what about Alejandro Semenewicz or Eduardo Commisso for example?)..


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
What I'm wondering about is why Seoane isn't part of the first team (despite beeing second best goalscorer in Independiente history + spending most of his career at the club) while Artime is part of the first squad although he only played two years for Independiente..

And i have a pretty simple answer, that u was disscusing with friends that are fans of this team.
Artime is part of one of the best teams in the era when Independiente was winning almost everything.
And Seoane was a great goalscorer but mostly of his goals were maded in the amateur era.
In Argentina we don't give so much revelance to the amateur era, just look Boca those guys count every single shitty title of that era (matches against their sames low divisions, or friendlys even tourtnaments like "Copa Aldao" :lol: ), all of them saying that they have 66 stars (titles) :lol: playing in that era.
That is the reason why we don't give so much credit to that era, but we keep an space for them, but here Seoane has an spot so is more than enough.

EDIT: Yeah 5 more players could be added what you have in mind ? I agree with Commisso.

Btw if i can find the Grafico edition with the 100 idols of this team, we can enhance this team.

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At least 2 midfielders and 4 defenders need to added in reserves.

Yeah, i was thinking the same about Manuel.


Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:18 pm
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More players? the only ones that i have in mind are:
Pedro Monzon
Percy Rojas

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My problem with Artime is that he reminds me of Ibra: amazing goalscorer during his whole career but after all he never stayed long enough at any Club to gain legend status there. Seoane may have played in amateur era but after all he did much more for Independiente than Artime and this is why I'd swap them..
IMO Semenewicz also deserves his place here since he was important member of the team that won Copa Liberatores four times in a row..


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Add them, you'll think about some more in the near-far future :lol:

gurkenjoe93 wrote:
My problem with Artime is that he reminds me of Ibra: amazing goalscorer during his whole career but after all he never stayed long enough at any Club to gain legend status there.


PSG :mrgreen:


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
My problem with Artime is that he reminds me of Ibra: amazing goalscorer during his whole career but after all he never stayed long enough at any Club to gain legend status there. Seoane may have played in amateur era but after all he did much more for Independiente than Artime and this is why I'd swap them..
IMO Semenewicz also deserves his place here since he was important member of the team that won Copa Liberatores four times in a row..

Tbh i prefer go to the fans choises :mrgreen:, about Semenewicz yeah i can agree with that but they are others players from the 70's and 80's teams that have to be incluided.
Like Dante Mircoli.

Btw it's a miracle that no one suggest Agüero :mrgreen: if someone said Agüero please ban that user.

@Capo i see the kickers, you put Trossero, who say you that he was a great taker ?, that place is for Bertoni :mrgreen:

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