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 Lionel MESSI 2004-2006 & 2011-2015 
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Name: Lionel Andrés Messi Cuccittini

Nickname: "La Pulga"

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Country: :ARG: Argentina
Club: FC Barcelona
Position: *SS, WF
Side: LF/BS
Age: 24-28 years (24/06/1987)
Era: 2011-2015

Height: 169 cm
Weight: 67 kg

Attack: 95
Defence: 40
Balance: 83
Stamina: 72
Top Speed: 82
Acceleration: 92
Response: 80
Agility: 93
Dribble Accuracy: 96
Dribble Speed: 93
Short Pass Accuracy: 92
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 88
Long Pass Speed: 77
Shot Accuracy: 94
Shot Power: 80
Shot Technique: 89
Free Kick Accuracy: 87
Curling: 88
Header: 79
Jump: 79
Technique: 97
Aggression: 87
Mentality: 83
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 65

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Early/Lasting

CARDS
P05 - Mazing Run
P10 - Incisive Run
S01 - Marauding
S05 - 1-Touch Play
S06 - Outside Curve
S15 - Shoulder Feint Skills

SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Tactical Dribble - Reaction - 1-Touch Pass - Outside

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack-Minded


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Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:38 pm
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Someone created the set on the current season?


Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:14 am
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I think he doesn't deserve WF as position in last set, he is just a SS playing sometimes on the side (and AMF too)


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He acted sometimes as AMF for the "Celeste y Blanco"; regarding WF; i think that i will leave it as optional, it is in Argentina which he plays with more "versatility".

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Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:22 pm
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DA could be on orange values ( i put him on 92)..perhaps when he was on Barcelona B, he could have 89, but not when he got more and more participation in the First team...

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Updated both 2007-2009 and 2012-2014 sets:

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Name: Lionel Andrés Messi Cuccittini

Nickname: "La Pulga" | "Messias"


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Country: :ARG: Argentina
Club: FC Barcelona
Position: *SS, WF
Side: LF/RS
Age: 20-22 years (24/06/1987)
Era: 2007-2009

Height: 169 cm
Weight: 67 kg

Attack: 87
Defence: 37
Balance: 80
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 96
Response: 84
Agility: 96
Dribble Accuracy: 97
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 85
Short Pass Speed: 80
Long Pass Accuracy: 81
Long Pass Speed: 76
Shot Accuracy: 88
Shot Power: 79
Shot Technique: 85
Free Kick Accuracy: 78
Curling: 85
Header: 74
Jump: 77
Technique: 94
Aggression: 90
Mentality: 79
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 81

Injury Tolerance:B
Condition: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 8
Growth type: Early/Lasting


CARDS:
P05: Mazing Run
P10: Incisive Run
S01: Marauding
S03: 1-on-1 Finish
S04: PK Taker
S05: 1-touch play
S06: Outside Curve
S14: Speed Merchant
S20: Scooping



SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Tactical Dribble - Reaction - Scoring - 1-On-1 Scoring - Penalties - 1-Touch Pass

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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Name: Lionel Andrés Messi Cuccittini

Nickname: "Messías - La Pulga"

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Country: :ARG: Argentina
Club: FC Barcelona
Position: *SS, AMF, (WF)
Side: LF/RS
Age: 26-28 Years (24/06/1987)
Era: 2012-2014

Height: 169 cm
Weight: 67 kg

Attack: 95
Defence: 25
Balance: 83
Stamina: 72 (Bastard ability, this is a fair value for this era)
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 91
Response: 82
Agility: 95
Dribble Accuracy: 96
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 91
Short Pass Speed: 83
Long Pass Accuracy: 88
Long Pass Speed: 78
Shot Accuracy: 95
Shot Power: 80
Shot Technique: 86
Free Kick Accuracy: 88
Curling: 87
Header: 72
Jump: 76
Technique: 97
Aggression: 91
Mentality: 76
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 71

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Standard

CARDS:
P05 - Mazing Run
P10 - Incisive Run
S01 - Marauding
S02 - Passer
S03 - 1-On-1 Finish
S04 - PK Taker
S05 - 1-Touch Play
S06 - Outside Curve
S16 - Roulette Skills


SPECIAL ABILITIES: Dribbling - Tactical Dribble - Reaction - Passing - Scoring - 1-1 Scoring - Penalties - 1-Touch Pass

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded

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The "prime" set IMO needs to be splitted in 2 sets since i found him "different" during his "golden" spell (2008-2010, mainly the same in terms of dribbling as the 2006-2008 set, but better in almost everything with the yellow TW) and 2010-2013 set (where he became an clinical scoring-machine but with less TW, since he was already showing some lazy ass acttitude)..

I'd expect some feedback since this is an controversial thread in the next moments (days?)...

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I just noticed that there are 21 points of difference between last two sets in TMW... in just two years Messi passed from 83 to 62... I don't know how it happened...

And, regarding also the last set in Stats Practice, I can't understand why Messi's TMW is always (except for 2009-2012 set here) below C.Ronaldo's.


Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:43 pm
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His Set of 2009-2012 , needs a updated.
He deserved 99 in DA he is one ( or maybe the best) close controller of the ball of football history.
Also hi ATK needs to be raised to 98-99 his freaking attack sense is so good and he deserved that values , his Goals records show that.


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I'm not agree with that, he is not at the same level of George Best in DA, neither Müller or Van Basten in ATT.

The only thing I think could be higher is DS, in this aspect yes, probably in the top 3 ever


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I can only came up with this..

El Capo wrote:
DA could be on orange values ( i put him on 92)..perhaps when he was on Barcelona B, he could have 89, but not when he got more and more participation in the First team...


It was obviously mentioned for his youngest set, so it's my fault that this wasn't better explained, so any opinions about it?..


As for DS at 97-98: He can have it, that's not the problem, the problem is that he equally faster with the ball on both 2004-2006 and 2006-2008 set, so you agree that he deserves similar values on both sets too?

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I'm with the 98-97 in DS in his prime.

In 2004-2006 he deserved 92 , he's key ability was he's insane agility.

2006-2008 he deserved 95 on equal way to the las t set.


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Also he's IT have to switch from B to C in 2004-2006 and C to B in 2006-2008 , he's injurie problems begins in he's youth era with Rijkaard.


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88 ST seems incredibly underrated for me in his prime set, look how many goals he’s scored by chipping it over the goalkeeper. He might not score bicycle kicks or many volleys at all but he has always been extremely clinical from difficult looking positions, his unbelievable balance helps him there, kind of like Gerd Müller. He could definitely go up to orange, I think 91 would be perfect.


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StuartBannigan wrote:
88 ST seems incredibly underrated for me in his prime set, look how many goals he’s scored by chipping it over the goalkeeper. He might not score bicycle kicks or many volleys at all but he has always been extremely clinical from difficult looking positions, his unbelievable balance helps him there, kind of like Gerd Müller. He could definitely go up to orange, I think 91 would be perfect.

The consistency of being able to shoot a shot cleanly is a big part of st, meaning not to scuff the shot, or to mishit, or put way too much power on a shot as to blast a shot into row z. the better one's st, the more consistently and cleanly a shooter can shoot when the ball is in a really erratic and difficult position from which to execute a shot with control. the more out of control a shot is, the more st a striker needs to consistently be able to execute a clean shot. In the default ratings patterns we've been able to see this correlation consistently throughout the existence of ST as a stat. One just needs to look at the high ST strikers, strikers with high ST ratings and lower SA, and strikers with high SA but lower ST- the clear relationship is the ability to shoot from difficult angles, and the ability to connect with a shot when the ball is coming at a very awkward and unusual angle/height. Bicycle kicks, scissor kicks, are all just an extension of what are defined as awkward and unusual shots, shots requiring a higher level of skillto be able to consistently time and execute these shots. So there is aclear effect and demonstrable ratings logic behind ST.

Messi is capable of a variety of difficult or impressive finishes from tight angles, but thats what his current rating already reflects. He already has a quitegood ST value. It's as simple as Messi will mishit and have an erratic shot more often than the higher level ST shooters rated above him would in the same situations, and for the hardest shots Messi will need to take a touch whereothers can shoot with ridiculous improvisation and timing, a touch that often is the difference between a shooting oppurtunity for one player, and a reset for someone like Messi where the defender has time to get back in position to block.

i used to hold optimism about Messi's ST for the same reasons as you, for his chipping ability, and from spectacular goals messiscored when he was young, like the mexico goal, or the bayern volley. But in hindsight, these were mostly one offs, one offs and outliers that any technical genius has in their highlight reel. For the dependability of being able to cleanly connect with shots in any situation. For rating ST this ability is much more relevant than the delicate finesse of chipping that Messi is well known for, which has very little, or no effect or relationship to ST. Players like Lewandowski, Huntelaar, Inzaghi of old, and Icardi today, Aubameyang, are avery clear level above Messi; in the tier below those elite level ST shooters, the likes of Diego Costa, Aguero, Giroud, Gignac, even if not enormously moreso, but they'rejust a bit more capable and skilledin shooting cleanlyand more consistently in any situation. Giroud is actually an excellent example of very good ST low SA in the modern game. He can shoot from really difficult angles and consistently shows really exciting techniques like scissors or bicycles, but he just can't place his shot that well; so he can score someof the most amazing goals, buthe's not a very dependable shooter overall as far as being a goal threat, to me Messi's ST should stay with his current value.

When it comes to shooting placement though,Messi is probably the 2nd greatest ever in my opinion. For his prime i though a solid 98 sa for the majority of those amazing years. This is the reason Messi scores so much off of his dribbles. Any time Messi connects properly with his shot, that shot is going right in the corners. Messi's deadliness in a situation where he has contol over the ball and so control over his shot is unmatched. It's just when Messiis trying to finish loose balls or awkward angle shots, i think he's good but nothing special. This current 88 ST is accurate, and fair in my view.


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