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 Jean DE BIE 1920-1924 
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Name: Jean De Bie

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Country: :BEL: Belgium
Club: RC Brussels
Position: *GK
Side: RF/BS
Age: 28-32 years (09/05/1892)

Height: 178 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Attack: 30
Defence: 88
Balance: 79
Stamina: 62
Top Speed: 65
Acceleration: 67
Response: 86
Agility: 78
Dribble Accuracy: 44
Dribble Speed: 45
Short Pass Accuracy: 54
Short Pass Speed: 50
Long Pass Accuracy: 60
Long Pass Speed: 53
Shot Accuracy: 43
Shot Power: 79
Shot Technique: 45
Free Kick Accuracy: 40
Curling: 42
Header: 50
Jump: 81
Technique: 49
Aggression: 53
Mentality: 81
Goalkeeper Skills: 87
Team Work: 75

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 5
Growth Type: Late/Lasting


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S12: 1 on 1 Keeper

SPECIAL ABILITIES: 1 0n 1 Stopper

Attack/Defence Awareness Cards: Defence Minded


Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:24 pm
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Updated.


Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:23 pm
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Apparently he was thinner than that..

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0 ... 0%B0%D0%BD


Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:53 am
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"Updated", the old set.

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Name: Jean De Bie

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Country: :BEL: Belgium
Club: RC Brussels
Position: *GK
Side: RF/BS
Age: 28-32 years (09/05/1892)

Height: 184 cm *
Weight: 80 kg *

Attack: 30
Defence: 90
Balance: 86
Stamina: 67
Top Speed: 68
Acceleration: 70
Response: 90
Agility: 81
Dribble Accuracy: 53
Dribble Speed: 57
Short Pass Accuracy: 54
Short Pass Speed: 60
Long Pass Accuracy: 60
Long Pass Speed: 63
Shot Accuracy: 43
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 45
Free Kick Accuracy: 43
Curling: 43
Header: 56
Jump: 85
Technique: 53
Aggression: 55
Mentality: 85
Goalkeeper Skills: 89
Team Work: 82

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 8
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 7
Growth Type: Late/Lasting


CARDS:
S12: 1 on 1 Keeper

SPECIAL ABILITIES: 1 0n 1 Stopper

Attack/Defence Awareness Cards: Defence Minded


Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:45 pm
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Where are the explanations for these changes?


Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:00 pm
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Well the explanation is plain and simple:

No info, just "how his career was developed" with no even a bit of his Playstyle made this even more difficult..

I've left his "keys" attributes mostly slightly downgraded/untouched, but he's still a top GK, the "drastics changes" happen because i want that mostly of this vintage players display the average level of the era, even if looks "underrated" or "unrespectful", I think that i've already explain why i mostly i'm being 'extreme" about this players, but that's the way..

Look for example his STA, 67 (in goalkeepers) is for somebody like Neuer/Barthez for example, a GK who's very mobile, doing a lot of footwork, etc..And because (unless info appears) mostly of these historicals GKs were literally inmobile back then, mostly stayed infront of goal, i mean, there is no need for such values..


Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:13 pm
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El Capo Del Cartel wrote:
I've left his "keys" attributes mostly slightly downgraded/untouched, but he's still a top GK, the "drastics changes" happen because i want that mostly of this vintage players display the average level of the era, even if looks "underrated" or "unrespectful", I think that i've already explain why i mostly i'm being 'extreme" about this players, but that's the way..

It is unrespectful and again you're editing work of members who at least had some ideas about these players. Sorry to say that but reading a Wikipedia entry about a player is not enough to have an idea about a player...
And once again you're doing this without even asking what the other members think about that. Just because you're an admin here you can't just simply change what you want..


Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:21 pm
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And where are those members?? At least they could have said "Fuck it, i'm leaving, i'm bored, etc, guys thanks for all this but i'm fed up with pes editing" but since they "dissapeared" from apparently the planet, how can we know if they really are interested or not regarding their "work"?

So far i'm spending my time to have this vintages players up to date, instead of looking like one of those sets that people made something like 12 years ago in those pes forums like this for example: http://www.pesgaming.com/showpost.php?p ... ount=2179..

And where are the info about this players anyway?

Better yet, what ideas? Unless somehow you guys have the matches where this fellas played or the info of how they played back then, please let me know, because we can't simply have this players with no weakness or whatsoever..


Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:32 pm
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Why you lowered STA to 47? Keepers don't run nowadays just like they didn't run in 30's or at any other time.

They should all get similar values, with some exceptions like Campos, Neuer, but not 20 points difference among them...


Sun May 01, 2016 12:09 pm
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I did it because i want to emphasize the fitness of that era Jean, just how many times do i have to say this again fellas?

You all got to be very funny if you really want to compare the fitness back then, and is not big deal, i mean what's the point anyway, STA is kinda useless in goalkeepers in-game, unlike the players you've mentioned, they all should be in 50's, 40's but then..

PD: do you have any info regarding him?, i guess this was made from a book, 'cause so far, i didn't found anything useful regarding him.


Sun May 01, 2016 12:24 pm
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They should get 4-5 points less, not 20..


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Then 5, i'll fix it later..

"Sorry" if i was/am too extreme, but that's the only way to faithfully replicate them, i mean, they also don't help me either, i just look the footage of those games prewar and post war untill don't know maybe Swedden 58 to get the idea and also there is no much info available in the net, so what do you think that i'm gonna do?...


Sun May 01, 2016 12:37 pm
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I've watched documentary about Planička and he was certainly faster and more agile than all actual keepers in the world. He also moved more than most of the keepers in Serie A nowadays.


Sun May 01, 2016 1:14 pm
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El Capo Del Cartel wrote:
Then 5, i'll fix it later..

So, when do you do that? Btw it wasn't that uncommon for GKs to rush forward during that time, it wasn't only Planicka, also Stuhlfauth, Hiden, Foulke and others did that..
And I'd like to request one rule for this page: If you don't know a player, don't change his stats. You rather ruin a set with those random changes instead of really improving it. Thanks for that..


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I'm pretty sure he wasn't 1m84


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