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| Author: | Palestra_ [ Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Martim SILVEIRA 1933-1938 |
stats by Palestra_ with suggestions from MarekPivarnik Name: Martim José Mércio da Silveira Nickname: "La Fiera" Country: BrazilClub: Botafogo Position: *DMF, CMF Side: RF/BS Age: 22-27 years (21/04/1911 - † 25/05/1972) Height: 183 cm Weight: 77 kg Attack: 76 Defence: 71 Balance: 81 Stamina: 83 Top Speed: 77 Acceleration: 74 Response: 79 Agility: 78 Dribble Accuracy: 83 Dribble Speed: 76 Short Pass Accuracy: 84 Short Pass Speed: 77 Long Pass Accuracy: 82 Long Pass Speed: 75 Shot Accuracy: 69 Shot Power: 80 Shot Technique: 67 Free Kick Accuracy: 73 Curling: 72 Header: 80 Jump: 83 Technique: 83 Aggression: 68 Mentality: 84 Goalkeeper Skills: 50 Team Work: 80 Injury Tolerance: B Condition/Fitness: 6 Weak Foot Accuracy: 5 Weak Foot Frequency: 5 Consistency: 6 Growth type: Standard CARDS: S02 - Passer S07 - Man Marking P14 - Enforcer SPECIAL ABILITIES: ★Passing ★Center ★Marking Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Balanced Spoiler: show |
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| Author: | MarekPivarnik [ Wed Sep 24, 2025 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martim SILVEIRA 1933-1938 |
Info: - Um dos maiores “center-halfs” do futebol brasileiro, de muita disposição e ao mesmo tempo clássico e elegante. Essa posição, no tempo do sistema 2-3-5, se constituía num trabalho maior do que o exercido por qualquer outro em campo. Centralizava tudo, em torno dele girava um time, por isso alguns cronistas o determinavam como o pivô ou o peão de uma equipe. Havia também quem designasse o “center-half” como o eixo do time. Quote: MARTIM, a esperança do Brasil, porque o Brasil conhece o Martim O Martim é uma figura diferente no futebol brasileiro. Estudou o ensino secundário em Porto Alegre e fez o doutoramento porque não quis. Porque não teve tempo. Ou porque não teve oportunidade. Mas quando não está a treinar, aprecia autores franceses. E o tempo passa metodicamente, sem grande excitação. Ele é inimigo das longas noites que se prolongam até de madrugada. Sempre foi assim. E quando todos estão a beber para celebrar a vitória, ele só bebe um bocadinho de água mineral... Disciplinado, está sempre em forma. E é por isso que o Martim é considerado o melhor defesa do Brasil. Hoje, uma equipa sem o Martim é um fracasso. Porque ele é um estímulo para toda a equipa. Recua e ajuda os defesas. Avança e ajuda a linha. Ele corre e lidera os pontas. Mesmo quando o guarda-redes erra, Martim vai à baliza — lembra-se da vitória por 2-0 frente ao Flamengo? — pronto para marcar um penálti, se necessário. No Botafogo, Martim é o jogador mais consistente. E a sua ausência da equipa — devido a uma lesão na segunda parte — levou à derrota da equipa "gloriosa" naquele jogo sensacional contra o Fluminense, na segunda parte. Mas o momento culminante da magnífica carreira de Martim é o Mundial. Estrasburgo e Marselha — depois da Taça Rio Branco — marcam o seu melhor momento, a sua exibição mais marcante, o seu entusiasmo excecional. E mesmo quando o decano falhou, como no famoso jogo com a Itália, quando a procura de um comandante para substituir Leônidas esteve em campo durante todo o encontro, Martim, calmo, sereno e com total controlo, resistiu, juntamente com Domingos e Machado, aos ataques relâmpagos de Piola, que só conseguiu furar a férrea defesa brasileira uma vez. O outro não conta: foi um penálti... Agora, é a Taça Roca. Alegou-se que Martim não jogou no domingo devido ao "padrão" do Botafogo. Já habituado à marcação homem a homem, Martim não se adaptou a jogar de raiz. Mas alguns alegaram que esta afirmação era absurda: um jogador do calibre de Martim adapta-se a qualquer jogo. Depois, foi dito: Martim deixou a bola passar a linha branca nove vezes. Que encontrou a rede de Walter nove vezes. Mas a resposta foi imediata: Martim, Zezé e Canalli tiveram medo de magoar Tim ou Romeu, Hércules ou Leónidas, Luizinho ou Ozeas. E depois os defesas... Mas isso é história de ontem. A derrota dos brasileiros no primeiro jogo da Taça Roca não deixa margem para olhar para trás, ou pior, para fazer acusações. O que está feito, está feito. Vamos em frente. Vamos a mais uma. Vamos com tudo com o poderoso plantel azul e branco. Vamos jogar para ganhar. Martim, titular, aceitou a posição, tal como aceitou a "cerca". E jogará no domingo. Sabe que a partida não será fácil. Sabe que a pressa da Argentina em marcar golos é devastadora. Mas Martim é o mesmo homem de sempre, o famoso jogador do "Mundial", que não teme o adversário, que nem teme a derrota. Martim jogará no domingo. Ele jogará para ganhar. E a esperança do Martim, defesa central titular, é a esperança de todo o Brasil, que confia no Martim porque o conhece. Porque o Martim está pronto para defender a bandeira brasileira. Quote: ELOGIOS A MARTIM O cronista do "El Nacional" descreve o carácter e o jogo de Martim, que teve um papel de destaque na liderança do ataque: "Na beleza do futebol carioca, nesta magnífica partida vimos um jogador de mérito excecional, que, sem marcar um único golo, se destacou entre os seus companheiros. Estamos a referir-nos a Martim Silveira, o avançado-centro, que em jogos anteriores se tinha revelado um centro-half soberbo." Ele acrescenta: "Conhece os segredos do futebol e sabe furar facilmente os adversários, onde estes só vêem obstáculos." Ele acrescenta: "Liderar o ataque com sobriedade, sentido de jogo e um controlo de bola notável". ENTRE MARTIM E LEONIDAS... O cronista do "El Nacional" conclui dizendo que, de todos os avançados e defesas, elegeu Martim como a figura mais marcante, a verdadeira. Quote: A configuração tática da equipe foi parte da controvérsia. Como sempre naquela época (década de 1930), a questão era se deveria ou não incluir um terceiro zagueiro. O técnico optou pela formação clássica 1-2-3-5, embora com os meio-campistas recuando no estilo metodista italiano. Seu volante central titular, Martim Silveira, era um jogador puramente ofensivo, que pouco se assemelhava ao "Double Wide" Monti na Itália. Em contraste, os meio-campistas "azuis" Romeu e Peracio recuaram, numa mudança que pretendia tornar o jogo mais flexível, com uma mecânica semelhante ao estilo característico de futebol de seus vizinhos do Rio da Prata (Argentina e Uruguai). |
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| Author: | Palestra_ [ Tue Oct 28, 2025 1:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martim SILVEIRA 1933-1938 |
MarekPivarnik wrote: Suggestions: Spoiler: show Searching about Martin, I drew some conclusions about the suggestions you gave me: *Attack: 77; It is an exaggerated value for a Brazilian "center-half", who was recognized more for marking the striker, that is, stealing and distributing the ball. Martim was offensive, but he represented this in other aspects of his game; The figure of 71 seems reasonable to me, what do you think? *Defense: 70; As I explained earlier, the main role of a center-half was to mark the opposing team's striker. That number is too low in my opinion. Compare it with those of former Brazilian center-halfs, such as Fausto (76), for example. *Stamina: 84; Too high for the time, in my opinion; *The speed values are practically the same as mine; *Dribble Speed: 79; Martim's game, like that of other prestigious center-halves at the time, was more collective than individual. It wasn't well regarded for that type of player to run long distances with the ball, you know? *Short and Long Pass values : The two values you assigned were good in my opinion. *Short and Long Pass Speeds: Since balls back then were heavier, I take this fact into account and lower these values below the green to reflect this aspect. That's why I don't agree with your suggestions about the speed of the passes; *Shot Accuracy(68) and Shot Technique(66) : In my opinion, these are two good values for the set; however, to reflect Martim as the offensive player he was, I suggest : Shot Accuracy -> 70 and Shot Technique -> 67; What do you think of these values? *Free Kick Accuracy: 69; I left Free Kick Accuracy at 75 because Martim was a free kick taker;There are records of this fact in periodicals of the time. *Header and Jump Values : In my opinion, these are two very high values for a Brazilian "center-half" who had more emphasis on creating plays; *Aggression: 68; This is a good value, I would approve it for the set; *Mentality and Team Work : In my opinion, both values are exaggerated; teamwork, for example, is from a player from a hundred years ago, when tactics had not yet evolved; a 80 from that era would be a 95-99 today, understand? *S04 - PK Taker : I would have reflected this aspect in his finishing values. After all, Botafogo at that time did not always have a designated penalty taker; it was decided on the field, usually by the team captain; *P14 - Enforcer : Yes, Martim was a pure marking player, but he played in all areas of the field, as reported in the news at the time: "Recua e ajuda os defesas. Avança e ajuda a linha. Ele corre e lidera os pontas." *About adding Penalties in Special Abilities > I think it's reasonable if you have enough information to support that he was a good penalty taker. I didn't find any information about this in my research, but if you have something, then that's fine. |
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| Author: | MarekPivarnik [ Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martim SILVEIRA 1933-1938 |
Now here's my opinion: Attack and defense: It's well known that Martim was good at marking, however, he was very offensive, and I don't see him as a strong marking midfielder, or even a decent one, so a 70 or 72 rating would be pretty spot-on for his defense. There are three videotaped duels that support what I'm saying, and a criticism leveled at him during the 1938 World Cup was that he was a midfielder with very offensive duties for his position, "he was decent defensively." Perhaps I think that Zeze Procopio, who was much more defensive, did a better job than him, even though his aggressive play often took its toll on him during his duels with opponents. Stamina: Well, right there in one of the links you posted, which also includes a diary from that era, it is mentioned that he is the midfielder with the best physical shape in the squad. Even though in old-school football there are players with stamina that don't go beyond Orange, as in the case of "Kostalek." To mention his 84 rating, that's fine by me. His role in midfield also requires a lot of physical effort, as you said, "he is a distributor" with offensive characteristics for a center back. "I also mention the comparison that was made with Luis Monti in the post I made." Dribbling speed: I have to agree with you more or less here. In one of the videos I saw of the match against Poland in the 1938 World Cup (as you know, I was watching those videos to create Zezé Procopio), I saw him dribble very agilely past two Polish players, to my surprise. If I had the video again, I wouldn't hesitate to point that frame out to you. I also didn't confuse him with Alfonso and Zezé procopied because Zezé wore a cap during that match, but we could lower it to 76 or 75. Short and Long Pass Speed: Don't underestimate Martim's leg strength. Believe me, if he has the strength to jump like the picture Bola Classica gave me, he's at least decent with the strength of his passes. His role as a distributor requires that quality. But if you want to maintain that heavy ball stance, you can reduce his LPS to white values and leave his LPA in green. Shooting Accuracy (68) and Shooting Technique (66): He's offensive in the sense of handling the ball. He didn't dare to shoot much. The values remain the same, but if you want to raise his shooting a bit to 69 and his shooting technique remains the same. Heading and Jumping Values: I'll ask Bola Classica for the photo of him jumping and heading the ball. In my opinion, he shouldn't be underestimated in that regard, especially when there are long balls in midfield. He can fight well in the air. Besides, it's not in vain that Martim was named the best Brazilian midfielder of that era, or at least during that period. Mentality and Teamwork: I agree with you, although his mentality still doesn't fall below the yellow mark. 82 or 81 might be good (although I'm basing this on the 1938 World Cup, where the entire Brazilian defense was a liability, so I can question that). He was captain of Brazil for at least a good while. However, his 80 teamwork rating also seems appropriate to me because his role as a distributor and leader requires it in that regard, and he demonstrated it on the field. Quote: I quote: "Mentality: How combative and resilient a player can be. The drive and willpower that propel them forward under difficult circumstances, be it fatigue, pressure, or unfavorable conditions. Ultimately, it reveals the true magnitude of their personality." "Teamwork: The willingness and awareness to support teammates by moving without the ball, being available to receive passes, and helping maintain tactical cohesion, especially in defense [such as setting an offside trap]. Unlike Mentality, which focuses more on internal resilience and personal drive, TMW entails a greater sense of responsibility and leadership on the pitch: it's about seeking involvement, taking initiative, and playing a larger role in the team's flow by frequently offering an option. Johan Cruyff, for example, was a clear example of this." That's exactly what Martim played in midfield, not at the level of modern players, but he certainly has that essence, according to the texts you provided, which helped me gain a better understanding of this player in question. |
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| Author: | MarekPivarnik [ Tue Oct 28, 2025 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Martim SILVEIRA 1933-1938 |
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