C.R. Flamengo All Stars

Coach: Paulo César CARPEGIANI






GOALKEEPERS:

Sinforiano GARCÍA
RAUL PLASSMANN


DEFENDERS:

DOMINGOS DA GUIA
JORDAN
JORGINHO
Leovegildo JÚNIOR
LEANDRO
MARINHO
Carlos MOZER


MIDFIELDERS:

ADÍLIO
Jorge ANDRADE
CARLINHOS
Paulo César CARPEGIANI
DEQUINHA
ZICO
ZIZINHO


FORWARDS:

DIDA
GABRIEL BARBOSA
JOEL
LEÔNIDAS
João NUNES
ROMÁRIO
Mário ZAGALLO


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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

Diego ALVES
Antônio CANTARELI
GILMAR (1959)
JÚLIO CÉSAR


DEFENDERS:

ATHIRSON
Modesto BRÍA
Newton CANEGAL
JADIR
JUAN (1982)
LÉO MOURA
LEONARDO
PAULO HENRIQUE
PAVÃO
José RODRIGUES NETO
Antônio RONDINELLI
TONINHO BAIANO


MIDFIELDERS:

Willian ARÃO
BIGUÁ
Giorgian DE ARRASCAETA
DIEGO
ÉVERTON RIBEIRO
GÉRSON
JAIME DE ALMEIDA (1920)
LIMINHA
MOACIR
Dejan PETKOVIĆ
RENATO ABREU
RUBENS


FORWARDS:

BEBETO
BRUNO HENRIQUE
EVARISTO
Henrique FRADE
ÍNDIO
JARBAS
Durval JUNQUEIRA
NONÔ
PEDRO (1997)
Sylvio PIRILLO
TITA
ZINHO









INFO:

Oh yeah, I get it, it makes sense. Well, it gets harder for Gabriel so I think it all depends on how much longer he stays, how much more he wins and how many more records he breaks.

I see. It is important to have a balanced team. Sávio and Júlio César Uri Geller would be good options too.

As a player Zagallo is too related with Botafogo, same example as Gérson "Canhotinha de Ouro".

Just for curiosity... who went out, so Zagallo could be in?

It seems to me that Aldair has been here at some point. I don't know if I'm going crazy, but I think they took an excess CB to put a missing LWF.

I don't remember who I replaced for Zagallo but it was explained in a previous post that since all star teams need to be balanced and Flamengo had almost only centre forwards, a winger was needed. Therefore, Gabriel Barbosa will be a valid choice for the first team when ─ if ─ he surpasses legends like Bebeto, Leônidas, Romário.
Regarding Júlio César Uri Geller, I at first included him in the reserve but in my opinion he's not as deserving as the players who are in. I explained the reason in a previous post. Aldair has been replaced with Marinho. Honestly, Aldair played only 59 leagues games when he was a youngster, didn't win any major trophy with Flamengo and had his peak somewhere else. I don't even know why I included him in the first team to begin with.

Oh, I see. Probably because Aldair left Flamengo with 23 years. Anyway, I wouldnt take him out. Specially to put Marinho in. Marinho was not even a absolute 11 in his time in Flamengo. Although he was in the Intercontinental title.

Rondinelli for example was much more important to Flamengo than him. Reyes is a better name too. Even Juan who come back older to retire in Flamengo. I would say Junior Baiano was a better player too, eventough he played in Flamengo's weaker eras.

In addition, taking advantage of the subject. Julio César (the goalkeeper) was huge in Flamengo.... HUGE!!! The stats will probably dont show that because he was playing in the weakest Flamengo of the history. But I can say that he simply save Flamengo to be relegated for years. That was the importance of Julio César for Flamengo... saving the club to be relegated.

What I mean with all that? Marinho was insert in a great Flamengo, the best ever. Not more than that.

Ok. I see and I agree about Aldair. He left Flamengo too soon but he won a Brazilian Championship in 1987 as a reserve.

Yes, currently the reserves is a good place for Gabriel, but depending on what happens from now on, it will be impossible not to promote him. Imagine - for example -, if from then on he wins another Libertadores as top scorer or if he stays for a few more years, Bebeto will have to give up his place. About Aldair, I agree.

I agree with that. Marinho was in a good team, but he wasn't that important and wasn't even unanimous in the team at the time, apart from his technical quality, which - let's admit it - was far from being good, he wasn't a good CB or a good player. I would put Rondinelli in his place, but Baiano is also a good option.

Others things...

Biguá was a right-back.

Athirson was left-back. I already told here but maybe Interista forgot to move him.

An interesting think to do here in the forum would be to put Geraldo Assoviador between the reserves. Mainly because I saw Duncan Edwards and Dener among the eleven, both correctly honored.

I don't think these comparisons are fair. Duncan Edwards won reasonable titles with Matt Busby and was the best player of the Busby Babies, words of Sir Bobby Charlton himself, apart from the legacy he left for the club, even though he doesn't win as much as many, he is so important that he gives to say that there is a United before him and another after him. Same thing for Dener, a player with reasonable titles, an AMAZING technical skill and a great importance for the club, things we can't say about Geraldo, since several reserves outperform him in these 3 aspects.

Athirson is considered as a midfielder in several sources. In the 1940s defences were still mostly formed by two centre backs. Lateral direito in that era might as well be a left-half, which would correspond more to an actual left defensive midfielder.
Athirson was either left back, left wing back or left side midfielder. I don't think that having him in the midfield is that wrong. You can see similar situations in many other teams.

It is very very fair, my friend! Thats why Edwards and Dener are between the 11 and I suggested Geraldo for the reserves.

You might dont know Geraldo very well, a few people know. Geraldo together with Zico were the mainly players from their generation.

A good example is if Geraldo hasnt past away, Adilio probably wouldnt have space in the team.

Geraldo was so good that he was already playing for the National Team, as the first 11 at the semifinals of America Cup 1975 with only 21 years. He played 7 games in total for Brazil with only 22 years old, something that Dener never achieved even living until 23 (Dener only played 2 games for Brazil). Eventough, I think that Dener was better than Geraldo.

Dener and Geraldo won the same amount of titles.

Ok. I can understand Biguá as a midfielder but Athirson become midfielder when he got older, in Portuguesa for example. In Flamengo he was a remarkable left back

The difference is that while Geraldo did campaigns for Flamengo, Dener did campaigns with Portuguesa, which was a team with more lack of titles and idols than Flamengo (it's a smaller team, so it's normal for a player like Dener to win the immediate sympathy and eternal idolatry). Yes, Geraldo could have been more, he could have taken Adilio's place, but that didn't happen for unfortunate reasons, and that has a price in history. With all these long-lived and winning names among the reserves, I really don't see room for him.

No! It is not that he could take adilio's place. Simply, Adilio took his place because unfortunately he past away. He was the number 8 of Flamengo, not Adilio. Adilio was originally a left winger. Geraldo was way better than Adilio, they are not even comparable that time.

And there arent so many irreplacable players like you say. Charles Guerreiro for example can easily be substituted by Geraldo.