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Club Athletico Paranaense All Stars


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Coach: :BRA: GENINHO

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GOALKEEPERS:

:BRA: ALBERTO GOTTARDI
:BRA: CAJU


DEFENDERS:

:BRA: ALESSANDRO
:BRA: ALFREDO GOTTARDI Jr.
:BRA: AMAURI (1943)
:BRA: JÚLIO PEPICELLI
:BRA: NILO BIAZZETTO
:BRA: REGINALDO (1971)
:BRA: ZANETTI


MIDFIELDERS:

:BRA: ADRIANO GABIRU
:BRA: ALAN BAHIA
:BRA: JACKSON
:BRA: KLÉBERSON
:BRA: NIKÃO
:BRA: NIVALDO
:BRA: SICUPIRA


STRIKERS:

:BRA: CARLINHOS SABIÁ
:BRA: CIRENO
:BRA: DAGOBERTO
:BRA: ILAN
:BRA: KLÉBER PEREIRA
:BRA: MARRECO
:BRA: ZINDER


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RESERVES:


GOALKEEPERS:

:BRA: FLÁVIO
:BRA: LAIO
:BRA: SANTOS (1990)
:BRA: WEVERTON


DEFENDERS:

:BRA: ADÍLSON BATISTA
:BRA: ALBERTO VALENTIM
:BRA: GUSTAVO CAICHE
:BRA: IVAN
:BRA: JONATHAN
:BRA: MANOEL
:BRA: MARCÃO
:BRA: MÁRCIO AZEVEDO
:BRA: PAULO ANDRÉ
:BRA: ROGÉRIO CORRÊA
:BRA: THIAGO HELENO


MIDFIELDERS:

:BRA: BOLUCA
:BRA: BRUNO GUIMARÃES
:BRA: COCITO
:BRA: DEIVID
:BRA: FERNANDINHO
:COL: David FERREIRA
:BRA: JÁDSON
:BRA: KELLY
:ARG: LUCHO GONZÁLEZ
:BRA: MARCINHO
:BRA: PAULO BAIER
:BRA: RENATO SÁ
:COL: Edwin VALENCIA


STRIKERS:

:BRA: ALEX MINEIRO
:BRA: GUARÁ
:BRA: JOEL
:BRA: LUCAS (1979)
:BRA: MARCELO CIRINO
:BRA: NÍLSON BORGES
:BRA: OSÉAS
:BRA: PABLO
:GER: Paulo RINK
:BRA: VALTER
:BRA: WASHINGTON (1960)
:BRA: WASHINGTON (1975)
:BRA: ZÉ ROBERTO (1945)





THE BEST EVER XI:

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GK CAJU
CB NILO BIAZZETTO ©
CB REGINALDO
RB ALESSANDRO
LB JÚLIO PEPICELLI
DMF ALAN BAHIA
CMF KLÉBERSON
AMF SICUPIRA
RWF CARLINHOS SABIÁ
LWF CIRENO
CF KLÉBER PEREIRA

Captain: Nilo Biazzetto | Reginaldo
Short free kick: Alan Bahia
Long free kick: Alan Bahia
Free Kick 2: -
Left corner: Kléberson
Right corner: Kléberson
Penalty: Alan Bahia





INFO:
https://www.athletico.com.br/clube/#historia
http://arquivo.furacao.com/historia/jogadores/
https://furacao.tripod.com/idolos.html
https://globoesporte.globo.com/pr/futeb ... lhor.ghtml


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Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:05 am
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Thanks for the team!


Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:50 pm
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Oseas played only two years for the club and one of those two years was in Second Division. On the other hand Dagoberto was the best player of the team in the first half of the 21th century (way better than overrated Kleberson) and certainly deserves to be in first team here.
What I find strange as well is that guys like Pablo (170 games with 34 goals, topscorer of the 2018 Copa Sudamericana with five goals, including two in the final games) and Jonathan (102 games with 4 goals, Copa Sudamericana 2018 winner, scored the first penalty in the penalty shootout) are absent here despite beeing contributing a lot to the club's first international title ever. On the other hand I don't see the need for Bellini and Djalma Santos, they are of course legends but after all both of them reached that legend status and their peak at other clubs, not at Paranaense.


Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:37 pm
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I first considered Jonathan, who has been doing surprisingly well for the club. I added him and took out Bellini and Djalma Santos.
I also replaced Oséas with Dagoberto and added Pablo to the reserves.


Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:54 pm
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I think Renan Lodi and Bruno Guimarães can be added here.


Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:59 pm
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genofredinho wrote:
I think Renan Lodi and Bruno Guimarães can be added here.

Renan Lodi didn't play too much and was a regular only in 2018, considering also that the following year he was sold to Olympique Lyonnais. The same happened to Bruno Guimarães but he played almost twice as Renan Lodi and was a regular for two seasons. However, there would be too many midfielders for my standards. Would you replace anyone for him and why?


Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:08 pm
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Interista93 wrote:
genofredinho wrote:
I think Renan Lodi and Bruno Guimarães can be added here.

Renan Lodi didn't play too much and was a regular only in 2018, considering also that the following year he was sold to Olympique Lyonnais. The same happened to Bruno Guimarães but he played almost twice as Renan Lodi and was a regular for two seasons. However, there would be too many midfielders for my standards. Would you replace anyone for him and why?


The two players won the most important championship of Athletico's history, the 2018 Copa Sul-Americana, as protagonists. In 2019, they were considered one of the best players of the Brazilian championship and were integrated on the Brasileirão's best eleven. However, as you said, they played for a very short time at Athletico. I think they are undoubtedly one of the best players that ever have played at the club, but I don't know if they deserve to be on the first team, but they have to be at least on the reserves team, as some other players at 2018, like Santos and Pablo.


Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:34 am
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genofredinho wrote:
The two players won the most important championship of Athletico's history, the 2018 Copa Sul-Americana, as protagonists. In 2019, they were considered one of the best players of the Brazilian championship and were integrated on the Brasileirão's best eleven. However, as you said, they played for a very short time at Athletico. I think they are undoubtedly one of the best players that ever have played at the club, but I don't know if they deserve to be on the first team, but they have to be at least on the reserves team, as some other players at 2018, like Santos and Pablo.

I think it was obvious that they would go in the reserves. In fact, I meant who would you take out of the reserves? There are many players from the past who maybe won just a few regional titles or didn't win anything at all but they are absolute legends who stayed in the club for years or even over a decade. Anyway, Bruno Guimarães is the only one I'd add for the reasons I already explained. Therefore, if you think he's that important because he was part of that title winning team before leaving for a big European club, name the player you'd replace.


Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:10 am
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Interista93 wrote:
I think it was obvious that they would go in the reserves. In fact, I meant who would you take out of the reserves? There are many players from the past who maybe won just a few regional titles or didn't win anything at all but they are absolute legends who stayed in the club for years or even over a decade. Anyway, Bruno Guimarães is the only one I'd add for the reasons I already explained. Therefore, if you think he's that important because he was part of that title winning team before leaving for a big European club, name the player you'd replace.


Oh, ok. Cocito, Fernandinho, Jádson, Paulo Baier and Valdir Benedito are very important and famous players of Athletico and I think Guimarães are on the same level. Kelly, Renato Sá, Edwin Valencia, and Marcinho are also good players and deserve to be at the reserves. Deivid played for a long time at Athletico. David Ferreira and Lucho González played at some of the greatest teams of Athletico. So I think Boluca could be taken out because he played at very small clubs and have never won something really important.
If you want to add Guimarães to the first team, you could take out Nivaldo or Nikão. Nivaldo played in Athletico for eight years and is an important idol but he was never an excellent player. Nikão is also a big idol of the club but was never an incontestable starter.

Renan Lodi could enter in the place of Márcio Azevedo, that was reserve of Lodi in his second passing on the club.


Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:29 am
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genofredinho wrote:
Oh, ok. Cocito, Fernandinho, Jádson, Paulo Baier and Valdir Benedito are very important and famous players of Athletico and I think Guimarães are on the same level. Kelly, Renato Sá, Edwin Valencia, and Marcinho are also good players and deserve to be at the reserves. Deivid played for a long time at Athletico. David Ferreira and Lucho González played at some of the greatest teams of Athletico. So I think Boluca could be taken out because he played at very small clubs and have never won something really important.
If you want to add Guimarães to the first team, you could take out Nivaldo or Nikão. Nivaldo played in Athletico for eight years and is an important idol but he was never an excellent player. Nikão is also a big idol of the club but was never an incontestable starter.

Renan Lodi could enter in the place of Márcio Azevedo, that was reserve of Lodi in his second passing on the club.

I added Bruno Guimarães instead of Valdir Benedito, who didn't play a lot either if we don't consider the regional leagues, but he surely can't be in the first team instead of Nikão (over 200 matches and 30 goals so far in six seasons, 92 and 12 only in 2018-2019) or Nivaldo (eight seasons, part of the 1983 squad that almost reached the Série A final). I'd definitely wouldn't replace Boluca, legend of the 1950s. Regarding Renan Lodi, there's enough space to add him to the defenders in reserves instead of replacing Márcio Azevedo, who may have been Renan Lodi's replacement but he played way more and came back to Athletico Paranaense, showing affection to the club. Renan Lodi simply doesn't need to be here.


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I added Bruno Guimarães instead of Valdir Benedito, who didn't play a lot either if we don't consider the regional leagues, but he surely can't be in the first team instead of Nikão (over 200 matches and 30 goals so far in six seasons, 92 and 12 only in 2018-2019) or Nivaldo (eight seasons, part of the 1983 squad that almost reached the Série A final). I'd definitely wouldn't replace Boluca, legend of the 1950s. Regarding Renan Lodi, there's enough space to add him to the defenders in reserves instead of replacing Márcio Azevedo, who may have been Renan Lodi's replacement but he played way more and came back to Athletico Paranaense, showing affection to the club. Renan Lodi simply doesn't need to be here.


Great! I think that's fair.


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