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 Cliff BASTIN 1933 - 1938 
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Name: Clifford Sydney Bastin

Nickname: Boy Bastin

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Country: :ENG: English
Club: Arsenal F. C.
Position: *WF, SS
Side: LF/LS
Age: 21-26 years (14/03/1912)


Height: 173 cm
Weight: 70 kg

Attack: 89
Defence: 36
Balance: 77
Stamina: 80
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 87
Response: 87
Agility: 83
Dribble Accuracy: 83
Dribble Speed: 80
Short Pass Accuracy: 81
Short Pass Speed: 77
Long Pass Accuracy: 80
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 88
Shot Power: 85
Shot Technique: 87
Free Kick Accuracy: 76
Curling: 72
Header: 72
Jump: 70
Technique: 83
Aggression: 87
Mentality: 82
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 77

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Early/Lasting

CARDS:
P13: Long Ranger
S01: Reaction

SPECIAL ABILITIES: 1-On-1 Scoring - Outside - 1-Touch Pass

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack-Minded


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Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:52 pm
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era is missing in the titles.

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Yes. Thank you :)


Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:43 am
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Mmm..He has Tactical Dribble, 1-On-1 Scoring, Outside &1-Touch Pass as Special Abilities, and he has Long Ranger, Marauding/Reaction and PK Taker as CARDS...

Which one is correct?


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El Capo wrote:
Mmm..He has Tactical Dribble, 1-On-1 Scoring, Outside &1-Touch Pass as Special Abilities, and he has Long Ranger, Marauding/Reaction and PK Taker as CARDS...

Which one is correct?


Both, in first seasons he plays like Luigi Rivas's style, making 1 touch passes (they were fast and accurate) and receiving the long and shorts balls from A. James behind the defenders.

In later season he become an AMF (playmaker style) but then the war interrupted his career.

Later I will fix Cards/SA


Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:30 pm
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The arrival of centre forward Ted Drake in March 1934 forced Bastin to adapt his game and position. While Drake scored the lion's share of Arsenal goals, injuries to James meant Bastin assumed the role of creator. However, he still scored 17 goals in the 1935/36 campaign


I guess you can put SS as secondary position. Based on the texts that I read about him, I suggest these changes:

SA: 86 => 88 (often described as lethal finisher with strong and very precise shot)
MEN: 80 => 82 (calm player, especially when it comes to decisive moments of the game)
AGI: 80 => 83 (I see him more agile)
TEC: 81 => 83 (pretty good at trapping a ball when receiving a pass)

Height: 173 cm
Weight: 70 kg

I hope I was helpful. :D


Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:07 pm
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Milos wrote:
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The arrival of centre forward Ted Drake in March 1934 forced Bastin to adapt his game and position. While Drake scored the lion's share of Arsenal goals, injuries to James meant Bastin assumed the role of creator. However, he still scored 17 goals in the 1935/36 campaign


I guess you can put SS as secondary position. Based on the texts that I read about him, I suggest these changes:

SA: 86 => 88 (often described as lethal finisher with strong and very precise shot)
MEN: 80 => 82 (calm player, especially when it comes to decisive moments of the game)
AGI: 80 => 83 (I see him more agile)
TEC: 81 => 83 (pretty good at trapping a ball when receiving a pass)

Agree with this although I'd go even higher for TEC.
Why GT "Standard/Lasting"? His career was basically over when WW2 broke out, it should be Early/Peak or Early/Lasting instead..
I'm also not sure if he really deserves those values for SPA & TMW. He may have taken the role of creator in absence of James but after all he usually prefered to score the goals himself and not assist them. At that time, the passes mostly came from James and the wingers (Bastin and Hulme) cut inside and went on goal themselves..
RES is also too high for a winger of that time, it should be around 81-83 max. IMO. Tactical Dribbling needs to be removed as well.
On the other hand RES needs to be in orange and his speed values could also be higher.

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Leaving Bastin without support on his side of the field might have caused problems for other teams but for Arsenal it was encouragement to expand their attacking options. Many of their goals resulted from two passes, James to Hulme and a centre to Bastin. The tough Yorkshire miner Wilf Copping, recruited from Leeds to stiffen Arsenal's midfield, spoke of James hitting long diagonal passes that Bastin would collect at speed when coming across the front of opposing right-backs. "Alex often didn't try to pass inside the full-back, over his head or to Cliff's feet. He'd drive the ball straight at him. An unexpected move it made Cliff very difficult to mark and brought him many goals. He had a tremendous shot and could be relied on to hit the target."


Btw, is there any reason for 84 in FKA (what puts him above Brook who was known for his good free kicks)? I've never read anywhere he was extraordinary good in that aspect but perhaps I've overlooked something..
Era should be changed IMO, his best season at Arsenal came were 1930-31 (28 goals in 42 matches) and 1932-33 (33 goals in 42 matches). Probably it would be even the best to split the set in two eras: in his first years he was definitely better scorer while in his later years (when Ted Drake became Arsenal's CF) he became better "team player"..


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I agree, set can be divided in two eras ( i suggest 1930-1934 and 1934-1938).

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RES is also too high for a winger of that time, it should be around 81-83 max. IMO. Tactical Dribbling needs to be removed as well.
On the other hand RES needs to be in orange and his speed values could also be higher.


You think AGI needs to be orange? RES should be lowered, and I agree that speed should be higher, but not too much, I haven't read anywhere that he was too fast. He had great reactions and good body movement which helped him to confuse defenders when running into empty space.


Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:19 pm
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Milos wrote:
I agree, set can be divided in two eras ( i suggest 1930-1934 and 1934-1938).

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RES is also too high for a winger of that time, it should be around 81-83 max. IMO. Tactical Dribbling needs to be removed as well.
On the other hand RES needs to be in orange and his speed values could also be higher.


You think AGI needs to be orange? RES should be lowered, and I agree that speed should be higher, but not too much, I haven't read anywhere that he was too fast. He had great reactions and good body movement which helped him to confuse defenders when running into empty space.

My bad, I actually meant AGG but wrote RES instead :D
About speed stats: from what I've read, I'd say that the space between TS and ACC should be bigger (ACC > TS) to represent his ability to beat defenders by those short and clever moves.


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About speed stats: from what I've read, I'd say that the space between TS and ACC should be bigger (ACC > TS) to represent his ability to beat defenders by those short and clever moves.


I was about to suggest that. :lol:

AGG shoud be in orange. And for speed stats, I suggest:

TS: 82 => 83
ACC: 84 => 87
AGI: 80 => 83
RES: 87 => 81


Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:38 pm
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Updated.

Thanks for the suggestions.

About RES, I do not know, as you know he was described like a WF poacher something like CR7 o Riva, He wasn't a typical WF so I think Res should be higher, but if you want It can be decreased.

About AGG, He is already superior than Brook, and him (Brook) was more incisive player playing in all positions in attack. And already Bastin have a better attack, so again, I have doubts.


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I agree that he should have two separate sets. The actual set seems a mix between the two. About this set I would make it Era 1935-1938, so age 23-26; I would give him ATT 86, RES 81-82, SPA 83-84, LPA 82-83, SA 83-84, ST 84, HEA high 60s, TW low 80s; he might have either Early Cross or Passer as card, not Reaction, Passing as special ability, if he has Long Ranger he must have also Middle Shooting, if he has Outside he should also have Outside Curve unless you meant Side and in this case replace Outside with it; Growth Type: Early/Peak.

For the first set I thought it should be 1930-1935 to highlight the seasons in which he scored a lot and the difference with the late and more assist-man Bastin. Here's a set made by me:

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Name: Cliff Bastin

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Country: :ENG: England
Club: Arsenal F.C.
Position: WF, SS
Side: LF/LS
Age: 18-23 years (14/03/1912)
Era: 1930-1935

Height: 173 cm
Weight: 70 kg


Attack: 89
Defence: 33
Balance: 77
Stamina: 81
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 87
Response: 84
Agility: 83
Dribble Accuracy: 83
Dribble Speed: 80
Short Pass Accuracy: 79
Short Pass Speed: 74
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 73
Shot Accuracy: 87
Shot Power: 85
Shot Technique: 86
Free Kick Accuracy: 76
Curling: 72
Header: 70
Jump: 71
Technique: 83
Aggression: 91
Mentality: 81
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 76

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Consistency: 7
Growth type: Early/Lasting

CARDS:
P10 - Long Ranger
S01 - 1-touch Play

SPECIAL ABILITIES: 1-on-1 Scoring - Middle Shooting - Side - 1-touch Play

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Attack Minded


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Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:13 pm
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Interista93 wrote:
Here's a set made by me:


By you? Mate, this is basically artemds set with the suggestions by Milos and me. The only changes by you are lower values for HEA/JUM and +/- 1 for STA and MEN, except for that, everything else was already suggested and discussed above..


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gurkenjoe93 wrote:
Interista93 wrote:
Here's a set made by me:


By you? Mate, this is basically artemds set with the suggestions by Milos and me. The only changes by you are lower values for HEA/JUM and +/- 1 for STA and MEN, except for that, everything else was already suggested and discussed above..

Yeah sorry, I forgot to write that I basically made a set by using your suggestions so I'll give you both credit. My bad!


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